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I'll bet this has been discussed here a gazillion times, but I cain't find it nowhere.

Does anyone think it is a good idea to cut off the dew claws on the front feet of my soon to be aquired 9 week old Austrian Brandlbracke?

I've heard both sides of the story, and most americans tell me he is probably too old to snip them off yourself with a pair of dog nail clippers, right down to the bone so they don't grow back.

Most Germans say that they need to stay on as it is animal cruelty to remove them. Remember, you can't trim ears or clip tails here in germany either as they say it's too cruel for the animal (so everyone does it themselves at home and thats even more cruel in my opinion, but I digress).

But everyone says that the poor little guy can get his feet hurt pretty bad when he gets older and gets them caught and ripped open later on. I plan to keep him prety active bloodtrailing wounded pigs.

What do all of you smart fellers out there have to say about this?
 
Posts: 84 | Location: A transplanted Texan in Germany | Registered: 13 November 2006Reply With Quote
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Dew claws are typically removed when the dog is only a few days old, 9 weeks is to old for at home surgery.


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Canine dewclaws are considered to be vestigial and not all of them have all of the phalangeal bones in them. Regardless, they all have a digital artery, vein, and nerve that is severed when they are amputated. Rest assured, you will have a hemorrhagic mess on your hands if you try this at home on a 9 week old pup (both on him and in the places where he's gonna bite you!)...not to mention that you'll be quite awhile in regaining his trust!

Given the ridiculous considerations of cruelty in Germany, you may hafta wait until the pup injures his dewclaw in the brush before a veterinarian will consent to their removal. You will likely only be able to get the amputations done if you can show that the dog has injured himself because of the dewclaws and that he is likely to injure himself again if they remain in place.

At 9 weeks of age, dewclaw amputations should be done under general anesthesia...or under heavy sedation and local anesthesia at the very least.


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Originally posted by ACRecurve:
Canine dewclaws are considered to be vestigial and not all of them have all of the phalangeal bones in them. Regardless, they all have a digital artery, vein, and nerve that is severed when they are amputated. Rest assured, you will have a hemorrhagic mess on your hands if you try this at home on a 9 week old pup (both on him and in the places where he's gonna bite you!)...not to mention that you'll be quite awhile in regaining his trust!

Given the ridiculous considerations of cruelty in Germany, you may hafta wait until the pup injures his dewclaw in the brush before a veterinarian will consent to their removal. You will likely only be able to get the amputations done if you can show that the dog has injured himself because of the dewclaws and that he is likely to injure himself again if they remain in place.

At 9 weeks of age, dewclaw amputations should be done under general anesthesia...or under heavy sedation and local anesthesia at the very least.


I only wish I could have said it as well, esp. the trust angle.
 
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I have seen dogs rip the dew claw off and it is a big mess. Ideally it,s best to have them removed as a newborn BY A VET. However I own A large Chesapeake Bay Retriever she weighs 130lbs and I hunt her hard in the brush for mountain grouse and waterfowl and she has never had a problem with her dewclaws after 10 years of hard use. If the pup Is 9 months it's best to leave them alone and hope for the best.
 
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As a follow up to this, the breeder in Austria had the rear dew claws removed at birth, but left the front ones in for some reason. They don't wear down like the rest of them, and Franzl, my dog, is starting to chew on them for some reason. I asked the vet if they could be removed, and she said that it is really way too late to do so, as it would cause way too much suffering for the dog right now. I guess I'll just have to live with them.

Thanks for the advice.

Mike
 
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My wife and I breed golden retrievers. We cut the dew claws off within 48 hour of birth and chemically cauterize them immediately. Any dog that has them when you pick them up , should be left alone unless there is an issue
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Had them removed from my litter of ten Labs at two days old.


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