Long Range Specialty Pistol

06 July 2011, 23:04

ga sixgunner

This is my long range specialty pistol. It is a Savage target action, Brux barrel, Jim See brake, McCree target stock. Its chambered in 7mmSAUM topped with a Leupold 6.5x20 rifle scope, with Holland ART reticle installed. I load 162gr Hornady Amax bullets over 67.0 grs of H1000 powder and Fed Magnum LR match primers. I killed this antelope at 926 yards with one shot and she dropped on the spot. I shot her resting the pistol on my backpack in the prone position. I have it recorded on video.

06 July 2011, 23:10

rcamuglia

Cool! I want to see the video!

06 July 2011, 23:16

ga sixgunner

Friend of mine is working on it right now.

07 July 2011, 06:18

Zhurh

We have a 4th July shoot in Eagle, Ak. Few years back, I ran into a guy from Tenn with a S&W 460, 10 inch; shooting 200 grain hornadys. He could hit a 12 inch target 2 out of 3 times at 400 yards. I ended up buying the 460 off him. I can hit at 200 yards, but not consistently, ha. I keep the gun on the trk dash when I run down the road; come fall on supply runs to town; killed a few caribou with it.

I guess some of you guys are quite serious about this sort of thing.

16 July 2011, 21:40

Steve Ahrenberg

Pistol my ass, I was working with SCI trophy records department "trying" to get handgun defined by the ammunition it shoots rather than the length of the smart end. They (SCI) disagree as well so good luck. If you can define a pistol as something you can haul on your shoulder via "African carry" in your video...........OK.

Steve

17 July 2011, 02:02

Mark A.

Steve, What is the defination of a handgun according to SCI Record Books Dept.?

17 July 2011, 02:29

Tyler Kemp

Nganga, so you consider a pistol caliber rifle a pistol because of the round it shoots? Come on now, that's just ridiculous. Either that, or you have double standards for something without a stock, and something with.

17 July 2011, 04:00

Steve Ahrenberg

Mark,
IIRC, their definition was "Not fired from the shoulder".

Tyler,
We all have differing opinions about this stuff, here's the argument I used with the trophy records dept.

If we are to have a "handguns only" category, what possible sense does it make to shoot a "short rifle" using traditional rifle cartridges and long range optics? NONE. I petitioned T/C's be moved to rifle as well. I feel many "record book guys" use them strictly to gain advantage for placement in the top tiers of any category. counter, why would anyone use a bolt action rifle chambered in say.....45ACP to hunt kudu?

I had a well thought out comprehensive list of traditional handgun cartridges to be accepted along with max barrel length data as well.

Just watch the video again, does your definition of handgun include "African carry" in it?

Here in Arizona we have both Deer and Elk muzzleloader seasons specifically placed closely to archery seasons to allow for rut hunts on both species originally placed for the disadvantaged "smokepoles". Todays rear ignition type scope sighted muzzleloaders just do not follow the original spirit of those seasons. I feel they should be 100% loaded from the muzzle and no breech access at all. Now, I know -0- or less about muzzleloaders, so forgive my ignorance.

As you see my gist is; sportsman using "loopholes" or technology to up their odds at special seasons or high record book placement.
completely converse to the true definition of "sportsman"

So Tyler, I believe I am 100% consistent here.

Regards,

Steve

17 July 2011, 04:47

338zmag

quote:
Originally posted by Nganga:
Mark,
IIRC, their definition was "Not fired from the shoulder".

Tyler,
We all have differing opinions about this stuff, here's the argument I used with the trophy records dept.

If we are to have a "handguns only" category, what possible sense does it make to shoot a "short rifle" using traditional rifle cartridges and long range optics? NONE. I petitioned T/C's be moved to rifle as well. I feel many "record book guys" use them strictly to gain advantage for placement in the top tiers of any category. counter, why would anyone use a bolt action rifle chambered in say.....45ACP to hunt kudu?

I had a well thought out comprehensive list of traditional handgun cartridges to be accepted along with max barrel length data as well.

Just watch the video again, does your definition of handgun include "African carry" in it?

Here in Arizona we have both Deer and Elk muzzleloader seasons specifically placed closely to archery seasons to allow for rut hunts on both species originally placed for the disadvantaged "smokepoles". Todays rear ignition type scope sighted muzzleloaders just do not follow the original spirit of those seasons. I feel they should be 100% loaded from the muzzle and no breech access at all. Now, I know -0- or less about muzzleloaders, so forgive my ignorance.

As you see my gist is; sportsman using "loopholes" or technology to up their odds at special seasons or high record book placement.
completely converse to the true definition of "sportsman"

So Tyler, I believe I am 100% consistent here.

Regards,

Steve

I couldn't agree more with your comment about muzzleloaders. They have some on the market that are accurate out to 500 yds (according to ad).

17 July 2011, 07:35

Crazyhorseconsulting

Probably not the best place for this but, "When Does Hunting Stop And Merely Shooting Begin"?

On one thread Saeed astated that in the end, we are all just shooters, and if we are going to kill something that is a true statement.

At what point however does Fair Chase get taken out of the equation? Many hunters claim that hunting anything over a bait from ablind/stand, is not Fair Chase, I don't necessaarily disagree with that line of reasoning.

Where does Long Range shooting, 600 yards plus figure in on the concept of Fair Chase?

17 July 2011, 07:48

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Probably not the best place for this but, "When Does Hunting Stop And Merely Shooting Begin"?

On one thread Saeed astated that in the end, we are all just shooters, and if we are going to kill something that is a true statement.

At what point however does Fair Chase get taken out of the equation? Many hunters claim that hunting anything over a bait from ablind/stand, is not Fair Chase, I don't necessaarily disagree with that line of reasoning.

Where does Long Range shooting, 600 yards plus figure in on the concept of Fair Chase?

CHC,

What REALLY scares me is that the longer I stick around AR the more you and I agree. I think that merely the fact that this gets posted as an oddity gives you the answer, compassion for a humane kill is not the goal, just how far can I toss a bullet....sort of in control.

Hunting....Shooting or Killing?

17 July 2011, 08:18

Crazyhorseconsulting

I moved my response to the American Big Game Hunting topic area, so as not to futher detract from this discussion or the topic area in general.

17 July 2011, 08:54

Tyler Kemp

You can't get ethics into a long range hunting conversation. This was one shot one kill, because of skill.

There are so many more deer wounded by hillbillies in a 100 mile radius to me shooting at close range, that those attempting 600+ yard shots don't really even register.

Nganga, so if one was to hunt with a 500 S&W carbine, do you consider this a pistol or rifle?

What about a BFR shooting a 45-70?

Too many variables.

A special long range pistol is harder to use than you would think. Not the same as getting behind a rifle and shooting quickly, although the dope may be similar.

17 July 2011, 10:28

Steve Ahrenberg

I would consider that a rifle, he choose to disadvantage himself by shooting a handgun round in a carbine, rather than the other way round.

I race bicycles, I'm 50, that is why, if I want, I can race with the 40 year olds but not the 60 year olds. Same logic

I'll not convince you, nor do I wish to try, I simply started this by commenting that is not a pistol and it is not.

Steve.