I always wanted one and I got a good deal...I think.... so I bought it. Now, what would be a good load with a 200 gr round nose? I saw a load of 40 grains of IMR 3031 that will get 2400 fps at about 45,000 psi.

That is 400 fps faster than my Hornady book and 4 grains heavier. The person says the factory loads are loaded down for the old auto loaders and the 35 Rem will shoot real close to the 358 Win in a new Marlin or Rem 760.

Does anyone have any experience with loading the 35 Rem to this level? I have a 35 Whelen if I need it, but I would like to get the most out of the little lever action....just because...

Buffalo Bore http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#35rem offers a 220 @ 2200, but a 200 @ 2400 sounds a little optimistic, especially if you are running the usual 20 inch tube. Nice little article on the 35 here http://www.leverguns.com/articles/fryxell/35_remington.htm Good hunting!

My Marlin 336 in 35 Remington was a fine rifle that really liked 200 grain Hornady's and Imr4064. The groups just shrunk when I tried that combo. Give it a try, you won't be sorry!

I load mine with a compressed charge of IMR4064. Out of my 20" barrel I get a measured 2139 average with 180 Speer FP and with Sierra 200 I got 2062 average using 39.5 and 39.0 grains repectivly. These are compressed loads and offer superb accuracy in my rifle. 2400fps seems optimistic and are probably 24" or longer barrels. These loads are published maximums and should be approached with caution. I am quite content with their performance at this level and see no reason to push it more.

LR49:

You're in real danger of ruining your rifle, at the very least, your face at the most, if you shoot very many loads that hot. I wouldn't do it and strongly advise you not to either. If you want more "uumph" get a bigger case like the .35 Whelen.

Lowrider

The 35 rem is a great cartridge but i would be very careful with such a hot load. 2,400fps seems very optimistic, my BLR in .358 win will only push a 200grainer to about 2,550fps give or take a couple fps. The great thing about the 35 rem is that its bullets are made to upset reliably at its intended velocity range so hot-rodding it isnt necessary or prudent. I use Hodgdons Varget in the .358 and it shoots sub MOA with the 200gr spire point.Varget is very similar to IMR4064 in its burn rate just a little faster and its temperature insensitive, i would give it a try.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
LR49:

You're in real danger of ruining your rifle, at the very least, your face at the most, if you shoot very many loads that hot. I wouldn't do it and strongly advise you not to either. If you want more "uumph" get a bigger case like the .35 Whelen.

I agree.....

Comparing the Marlin to Remington's 760 is a horrible error.....both are extremely fine rifles but the Remington will hold 65,000 PSI and the Marlin will not hold anything close to that pressure.

I strongly urge you to stick to the books recommendations....I believe you said Hornady.

For around $100+/-, Regan Nonneman of Maryville, MO, will rechamber your Marlin 336 in 35 Rem to 356. If you want to, you can reload with 358 brass, as long as you maintain the OAL limits of the 356. Paco Kelly posted an excellent 35 Remington article a while back that might be worth searching for.

Jeff

I have an old 336, and the local smith cut the barrell to 16" (my truck gun). I now have about 200 pieces of brass (a lifetime supply for me) dies, etc and have been looking at the loading books so this info is great.

But just for grins has anybody loaded any of the 250gr or 275gr round nose? Yea I know they wont be good for anything, but like I said just for grins.

The 35 Remington is loaded by the factory to use in autolaoders. The actual velocity of the 200 gr factory load is 1893 fps in my 760. If you load the 35 remington with 39 or 40 gr of 3031 behind the 200 gr bullet you will get between 2300, and 2400 fps.
This calculates out to a chamber pressure below 45,000 psi. and probably would be ok for a Marlin. Check the specs for a 358 and think of what is involved in converting to it.
Good luck!

Gentlemen,

All good info!!

Above is the post I mentioned and I certainly question the advisability of going over the loading book listings. Unfortunately, our legal system has forced very conservative standards on many things, reloading manuals in this instance. Beyond that, each gun shoots a given load differently which is why we are told to drop loads 10% to start.

260remguy,

That is a neat idea...going to a .356 is middle ground between the 35 Rem and the 358 Win. It would be a useful conversion for a really nice little carbine. I have a gaggle of .308 brass that will serve for .358. I think I'll get in touch with Mr. Nonneman just to see how it works...thanks for the info!!

BTW Dick, the .356 shows a 250gr load at ~2150 fps, a 200 at ~2350 fps and a 180 gr at 2600fps. That puts it in the .30-06 territory. With the right bullet and the right shot, there isn't much you couldn't handle with those loads delivered by a handy 20" barrel carbine. I think I want one!!

But just for grins has anybody loaded any of the 250gr or 275gr round nose? Yea I know they wont be good for anything, but like I said just for grins.

I used some of speers 250 in my model 81 remington.

IMR 4064 34 = 1724 fps

also for fun sierra 225 spbt

IMR 4064 37 = 1953 fps

these are max loads..

Hope this may help

Jason

I spoke to Mr. Nonnemen today and he is offering 307 (30-30 chambering) and 356 Win (35 Rem chambering) rechambers for Marlin 336s for $120 including return shipping and for an extra $20 he will tune your trigger while it is apart. Very reasonable in my opinion. It appears he uses the same technique that would be used to replace parts for the Marlin originally chambered in 307 or 356 Win and he ends up with a safe and fully functional 336 in the new caliber. Tweak the lever and bolt, extractor and run a .356 reamer into the 35 Rem chamber...sounds like it will work to me.

I asked about pressure in the 336 action and he said Marlin uses the same action for the 336 and the 1895, just the holes in the action differ. I thin I'll give it a try!!

Dick, I also have a 336 cut to 16"
I use Re 7 and Norma 201 and can easyly get 2000 fps with a 200 grn bullet. Just look up contender loads for the 35 rem.

My 336 in 356 is a Nonneman conversion and it works fine. I have used both 356 and 358 brass without any trouble, as long as 356 OAL criteria are kept. If I can find an inexpensive 336 SC (Sporting Carbine) in 35, I'm going to have Nonneman do another 356 conversion. The 220 grain Speers work well for me. I tried the 180 grain Speers, but decided that the 220 grain was a better choice for the sort of game that I might hunt with my 356. The 180 grain works better on deer, since it expands a little more quickly.

Jeff

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If I can find an inexpensive 336 SC (Sporting Carbine) in 35

Hey,that's what I have! Oh,you said inexpensive. Nevermind. I wouldn't part with that gem of a gun for anything.

marlinowners.com 35 rem bullet performance

This link to marlinowners.com (336 forum) gives an excellent review on 35 Rem bullet performance (bullet weight vs velocity).

Excellent reading.

Seems like 2100 fps with 200 grainer is upper end.

Folks,

My 336 was dispatched via UPS today to Mr. Nonneman for .356 Win rechamber. Best guess is that it will be fully capable of taking anything in my back yard. This could just be the excuse I need for a Canadian black bear hunt next Spring.....Hmmmmm........

How do I get in touch with Mr Nonneman? Also, where do you get factory 356 brass or how do you form it? This sounds very interesting.

.... fine quality, custom firearms for the discriminating shooter ..

Regan Nonnemen
Phone 660.927.3401
25246 200th Street
Maryville, MO 64468

Redleg 172,

I lived in Homer awhile back and flew for Cook Inlet Air....Otter on wheels, 185's and 207's mostly with beach time flying eggs, mail and UPS cargo and drunk cut up natives into Merril at midnight....I miss it a lot!!

I've heard some very good comments about Buffalo Bore's 220 gr load though I don't know the pressures.

Okay, now I need to decide. I shot the rifle in 35 Rem the other day and was pleasantly surprised by it's mild manner and low recoil. A nice rifle to shoot some deer with. I like the idea of the 356 Win because it is different, but how much more recoil and muzzle blast am I going to get over the 35? Anyone who has shot both is welcome to comment.

Thanks,
Greg

Mine's not back yet. I'll report when it gets here. 260REMGUY has one....maybe he'll share his experiences.

I not a good person to ask about recoil, but there is more felt recoil from a Marlin 336 in 356 than there is from the same rifle in 35. If you load up some 250 grain bullet over a maximum load of powder, you are going to feel it when you squeeze the trigger. My pet load is the 220 grain Speer at about 5% under the book maximum. The recoil, to me, is about like the typical 30-06 and the 150+/- yard performance is great.

I believe that the Nonneman conversion is the best cheap/easy way to add performance to a Marlin 336, either doing the 30-30 to 307 or the 35 to 356. Where can you spend $125+/- and get the degree of performance increase? When I find a good 336SC in 35, I'm dropping it off a Nonnemans along with a check.

Jeff

Question- Is the rifling twist the same for the 35 Rem. and 356 Win.?

Hey guys-
As for the 35 Rem/ 356 Win conversion, will the 336 action handle the pressure? The 35 Rem is listed with a 35,000 CUP average working pressure. Whereas the 356 is listed at 52,000 CUP working pressure. I know the 336 action is chambered for the 444 Marlin which lists at 44,0000 CUP but that's still a big jump to the 52,000 CUP of the 356. I know Marlin briefly chambered the 356 in the 336 action but maybe the pressure concerns were the reason they quit, along with poor sales. Just my .02

Marlin made the 336ER in 356 for a couple of years, so I'd guess that a 336 in good condition will handle the conversion without any trouble. I just bought a 336SC to have Nonneman convert from 35 to 356, so when that is done I'll have 3 Nonneman conversion, a 307 and 2 356s.

Jeff

Just got a call from Mr. Nonneman saying my gun is on it's way back home.

We had a discussion about pressure and he assured me that it is perfectly safe at factory pressures. He has only had one gun when there were extraction problems and he found out the person was loading "over max" loads.

I suppose if you shot 500 hot loads a year thru it, eventually it would loosen up. For me, 500 hot loads will take me beyond my useful life..not to say I won't play around with some cast loads.

I'll let you guys know how it does when I get to shoot it.

OK, I got the gun back on Monday and it looks just like when I sent it off except now it says 356 WIN on the barrel. I put together some 180 gr Speer FP loads with 42.0 gr AA2015 and new Win brass with WLR.

I haven't chronoed them yet, but they are shooting right at 2" or a tad more at 100 yds with a Weaver 2.5x with a post and crosshair and I'm happy with that for it's intended purpose. I sighted in at 2.5" high at 100 yds which should do fine to 180 yds or so with a dead on hold.

I gotta tell ya, it kicks a fair amount more than the .35 Rem loads I used before I sent it off.... but it is not awful. While hunting...you'll never notice the recoil. Mine has a plastic Marlin butt plate and it would be much better off the bench with a Simms pad.

All in all, it was a well spent $100, I believe. Regan Nonneman is a nice fellow and near as I can tell, he does nice work!! The chamber seems tight and the quality of work is excellent. Extraction is easy and the chamber is cut to minimum. With a better scope and some load development, I might find a MOA rifle..or not. Either way, it is about a 7 pound gun that will kill whatever I shoot if I put the bullet where it belongs!!

Update

A friend's son made a 93 yards shot on a 100 lb doe with my .356 Win Marlin. He hit her just behind the shoulders. She reared up on her hind legs and dropped without moving again. Just a little more meat damage than I would like...especially in the back straps.

The 356 Win is too much for this application with the 180 gr...maybe the 200 gr core-lokt a little slower would be gentler. Guess that would make it a .35 Rem. It seems a lighter load is appropriate for deer, and the gun still will kill moose just fine with a 250 gr load...I like it!!

Thanks for the follow up and your impressions after a kill. I like my 35 rem just as it is in the 336 and when I want more I use the .375 or 444.
I do like the idea of having a .356 also so I may start looking for another.
Frank

The recoil from Buffalo Bore ammo, the 220gr. Spear @2200fps, is twice that of factory 200 grainers. However, at distances of less than 75 yards or so, the heavy 220 loads are almost overkill, and I've killed two hogs with one of them, and am quite sure that had there been a third behind those two we'd have had even more sausage. Don't let the paper ballistics fool you, as the tried and true Core-loct at factory or handloaded velocities of 2000 fps will take game with authority, and in my experience better than a 30-30 despite any advantage one might see on paper. If you want more range, and a little flatter shooting, the 180 gr. flat point can be safely loaded to 2300fps, provided of course that you work up to that point. Every rifle is a little bit different, so that might not be the most accurate for yours either. Just don't dump a max charge into the case and go shooting; caution and patience is the key here. Loading the Spear 220 grain to around 1970fps gives you are very accurate and effective game getter as well, and without increased recoil. It's not a 150 yard shooter, as there's more bullet drop of course, but it works well. Hornady's new LeverEvolution ammo features a pointed soft tip bullet safe for tube mags, and advertises .35 Rem velocities around 2300+fps, handloaders will have more options when components are available.