Buffalo bore claims their 350gr load will clock 2150fps and 405gr loads at 2000fps. I've shot the 350gr loads out of my encore and they really thump.

Looking at the hodgdon book for 45/70 in the ruger 1895 heavy load section.It clocks with H4198 powder>300 grs 2123 fps,400 grs.1869 fps,but the 350 at 1934 fps.For some reaon theres a lot more gap between 350-300 than 400-350.With that said,and given that the 300 is actually capable of 2200 fps,would it not stand to reason that the 350 should be more capable,say 2000+.Dont ask why.Cause more is always better.Anybody have experience trying to hump the hornady 350 to 2000 +?Thanks.

Oh...it'll go. Some magnumitus nuts shove the 400's to 2,000. Pour in enough Reloader 7 or 4198 and your shoulder is the limiting factor......evidently the Marlin manages to keep from springing apart..somehow. I look to read any day where somebody is claiming 2200 with 500 grainers. There is some penchant amongst folks to turn the Marlin into a lever action 458.....just because. Obviously, I never ask why. I hear all the irrational bullshit I want to as it is.

Ya I figure from the numbers I've seen that 2000 with the 350 sounds just right.Problem with the 300s is that their hp loosing the brush cutting capability that broader snouts have.And the 400's to abusive.

That's not a problem, the PMC factory load matches that.

A factory load with some testis,WOW.Is that their data or did you chrony?If you chronied,I'll buy it,if its their numbers,I'll chrony it myself.

The powder you refer to is AR2207 made in OZ by ADI. Hodgdon then repackage and sell it as H4198.
The ADI Reloading Manual for the 45/70 states:

350 grain bullet in Marlin 1895's
54 grains AR2207 = 2,191 fps
60 grains AR2208 (Varget) = 2,013 fps (compressed load)

350 grain bullet in Ruger No 1 & No 3 single shots, Browning Model 1885 single shot and Siamese Mauser bolt actions
56 grains AR2207 = 2,300 fps

These are MAXIMUM loads and are from a 24in bbl.

Hope this helps.
Boof.....

PMC info 350 at 2025 fps.This is said by users to be very accurate and effective, too much for deer maybe but great for elk and moose.But you don't have to make a magnum out of the 45-70 it works by having large caliber .....Boofhead the 54 grain load should read 1,191. The 1885 has a 28" barrel [unless ,like mine it's cut, mine to 22"] though at those velocities barrel length isn't going to make very much difference.

i spent a year trying t0 get 400 grainers and a ruger number one to shoot 1900 feet per second.. the velocity was no problem, but the lead bullets i wanted to shoot first posed a leading problem fixed by veril smith. then there was accuracy. bullets and 1900 fps and that gun were not going to shoot. the shorter bullets your suggesting would help but your gun has to tell you what to shoot, not you telling the gun.. any time you start telling the gun what to do which is where you are heading, youl gennerally have so so accuracy at best.. for instance your gun may shoot best with 500 grainers at 1200-1400 fps.. which probably is what a lot of 45 70s are made for.. talk to a smith and see if a 458 will do what your looking for. . good luck dave..

MY LOAD FOR THE 45-70 IN A RUGER #3,
350 GRAIN HORNADY,
WINCHESTER CASES,
CCI STANDARD PRIMERS,
59.6 GR. IMR 3031
CHRONO.AVERAGE FOR 10 ROUNDS, 2070FPS
I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT USING THESE IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A RUGER OR OTHER GUN CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE PRESSURE.
RECOIL IS HEAVY, BUT NOT ABUSIVE
1 1/4" GROUPS AT 100

I think I'm going to try something fairly close to that,or atleast over the 2000,cause they do usually list 1895 and ruger as roughly the same capability.

charger, it looks like you are quoting Hodgdon #26 data. You should look at getting Hodgdon #27 or a current Hodgdon Annual Manual. These sources are more in line with the data Boofhead provided (Marlin 1895, 350 grain bullet, 54 grains of H4198, 2191 fps in a 24" barrel). The Marlin 1895 45-70 has a safe operating pressure of 40,000 CUP and the 45-70 Ruger #1/#3 has a safe operating pressure of 50,000 CUP. This is reflected in the new Hodgdon sources.



I would not use anything over 56.8 grains of IMR3031 with a 350 grain bullet in the Marlin 1895. http://www.realguns.com/loads/4570.htm

The hodgdon manual does have 2,000fps + data for the 350grainer. I used their top loading for the 350 gr Hornady interlock on a 225lb boar about two years ago and the killing power was excellent. A one shot kill at 80 yards with my 1895 GG 45-70. But since, I have come to realize that this grand old cartridge does not need velocity to kill. I have experimented with just about every bullet weight I could find and have come to the opinion that a larger bullet at moderate velocities is far superior to the light fast loads in the 45-70. My personal favorite is the Cast performance 420gr WLNFP at 1750fps. This is a +p load, but it does not eat up your brass or overly stress the rifle. In my GG it will print one inch groups regularly at 100yds. To each his own, but the old timers were on to something when they opted to use 400+ grain bullets in this cartridge.

[45-70]' does not need velocity to kill' ,absolutely . But there are many out there who haven't learned that yet !!

so far in my 1895 stainless guide gun im using 58.5 grains of imr 3031,federal 215 magnum primers,winchester brass and hornady 350gr.round nose bullets and im getting 1952 fps,no evident pressure signs,no sticky extraction,etc...im just wondering if i should keep on going up in powder increments..anyways,i think ill continue to test at .2 grain increments til 2000fps shows up on the chronograph...started out around 56.8 to 57 grains with around 1875fps or so,maybe less,cant remember..anyways,ill test in the next day or so with alittle more powder and post the results...

49 grs of h4198 in rem case,cci standard prime,350 hornady flat,makes a very consistent 2060fps average out of my 22" marlin,with the recoil of a cork gun.I know what you fellas are saying about me plat versus shock cals.and your absolutely right.I just like to find a hard hitting combo that is capable of flying straight to the target without thought.Our venison are seen once every two weeks,their high hills bush deer,that have more wit in their crap than calcium on their head.So I like to come up with things that are sure to point ,go,and kill at ten yards,or at that once every ten year 130 yard,cause he aint goin to even give you time with a point and go gun.If you gotta flinch even for a nano to take trajectory in,skip it.Believe it or not,that 8 pointer is a year from death acording to taxadermist,he's a little over the mid 2's in weight(long and lean),and shot through alders that were so dense he was a fleeting shadow at 70+ yards.Thats why I got to shoot a combo of hard and semi flat.Thanks all.