Does anyone have a picture of this case ?

Its a longer vertion of the 50 Alaskan

2.73 OAL and fits into a Marlin New Model
long action > 366 with some action reworking

Martin

Martin,
there is a listing in my Cartridges of the World 2000 Edition, listed on page 205. To sum up, it is a slightly bottleneck cartridge designed to work through the Marlin at 2.68 maximum cartridge length. It requires a "special high strength Barrel" and significant modifications to the marlin action.
Of note, when I had my 1895 Cowboy Marlin converted to 50 Alaskan. I requested Doug Turnbull restoration (who did my job) take a look at the 510 Kodiak Express instead of the 50 Alaskan. They declined to do that chambering--- So I am guessing that it requires a ton of modification to work correctly.

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:
Martin,
there is a listing in my Cartridges of the World 2000 Edition, listed on page 205. To sum up, it is a slightly bottleneck cartridge designed to work through the Marlin at 2.68 maximum cartridge length. It requires a "special high strength Barrel" and significant modifications to the marlin action.
Of note, when I had my 1895 Cowboy Marlin converted to 50 Alaskan. I requested Doug Turnbull restoration (who did my job) take a look at the 510 Kodiak Express instead of the 50 Alaskan. They declined to do that chambering--- So I am guessing that it requires a ton of modification to work correctly.

Well i was hoping to get one made up ..
I already have a BRL in 50-110 and i was hoping to skip over the 50 Alaskan ... i was kinda thinking maybe use a 457 W West Mag and just
have it blown out to .510 since its longer then the 50 Alaskan... but i dont want to give up on the Express.

Thanks for the info .. i would really like to see one thought ..the case that is

Martin

Martin Potts, Mic Mcpherson has just completed 2 lever action rifles in 510 kodiak express. The over all cartridge length is a max of 2.73". You gain 23/100ths over a 50 alaskan.You can easily achieve over 5000 ft.lbs. of energy using 3031 and 450 grain bullets. This is with a 23" barrel.

Go to www.levergun.com and look up the article What is possible in a Marlin? It has a picture and ballistics.

From the article it is a slightly shortened and blown out 50/110 case to allow it to cycle and feed through a Marlin. Apparently they use re-drawn 348 cases that are thinner than Starline 50/110 and have more capacity. Probably ends up the same or perhaps with slightly more cpacity than 50/110. Plenty potent enough by the sounds of things though.

well, I have an '86 in 50-110, and in a 10lb rifle you A$$ will give out waaaaay before you can tell the difference in velocity or power.

JMHO, your mileage may vary...

Rich
DRSS

A .50-110 BLR? where and how can I get one? I looked into the 510 Kodiak, but found it to be simiply a recreation of the latter, with about a 4% increase in case capacity (the shoulder, so it won't fire in an older 50-110). The OAL is listed at 2.68" but could possibly be loaded to 2.73", while the 50-110 is 2.75" With the BLR, you should be able to handload to an OAL near 3", and since the 510KE is a handloading endevor only, you aren't gaining anything with it. You could use drawn 348 or 50 Alaskan brass to allow more pressure, but I don't know how much they will take, seeing the BLR could do 55,000+ psi with that size case head (while the Marlin should not be fired over 45,000, even with the special barrel).

If you really need more power, you can put that barreled fore-end and bold head on a Long action (3.34", assuming yours is build off a 450 Marlin SA) and go from there. It would be interesting to see a BLR in 50-140...possibly a 34" octagon pipe??? Nevertheless. I wouldn't go far from where you're at now, unless you wanted to convert it to a .500AR. That would really be somehting, especially in a 7.5lb gun.

Let me know if something comes up though, as I'm looking for the same thing.

I have a Browning Mod 71(1886) in 50-110WCF. It is custom built with with the inner workings of the action done per original blue-prints from Winchester. It has a 22" barrel and full length magazine, and one mercury recoil reducer in the butt stock. I supplied the gunsmith with my own reamer when he built the rifle. I weighs about 9.5lbs. I use Starline brass, CH dies, and 510Grs. WFNGC bullets with a favourite load pushing theses bullets at 1800fps. This is plenty for anything in North America, believe me! I saw no reason to go to anything more "wildcatty" since brass and dies are readily available.

Vasa

What did you have to do to get the action to original blue-print spec.? Who did the work? Would a modern factory 1886 fit those specs. as is? Sounds like "big medicine" to me. I'm currently shooting my Marlin .45-70 XLR with 525 Beartooth Pile Drivers at 1850 (bucks plenty hard) so should be good for anything here, but what about Africa? Do you think you could take Buff without issue, or would you use something else?

Winchester did not differentiate between standard and 50-110 parts for the 1886, but from what I understand, all 50-110 produced could be called, more or less, "custom" since the standard 1886 (or Mod 71) will not accept the 50-110 cartridge. The same is true for the modern 1886. 6 modifications are listed:
- top of chamber polished
- carrier millet out
- cartridge guide thinned out
- front of finger lever milled out
- right hand part of mag tube milled out
- right hand part of mag port opened up
The work on my rifle was done in BC, Canada, by Dave Jennings. He did a beautiful job.
The 50-110WCF will, properly handloaded, take anything on this planet. I built my rifle to hunt the big bears and moose with.

Vasa

So could you load the 50-110 with 510 KE load data? I'm sure the brass would handle it, since it is heavier then re-drawn 348 brass. With the longer OAL you could get more powder capacity, and the 1886 (or BLR) can handle more pressure then the Marlins'...so how much can you get out of it? Sounds like it would be a real monster when you're done. Who says the lever rifle has no place in DG hunting?

You load to the capacity of the rifles RECEIVER....NOT whatever you can stuff into a case. You sound like you might have a bad case of magnumitis. Maybe a re-evalutation in thinking is in order...extreme-ism in reloading leads to high insurance rates, needless waste and/or makes the morticians very happy.

'Njoy

kinda hurt my feeling a little. If you look into it, the 510KE was designed around a lesser strength action then the 1886 or BLR. That would actually be loading down, to a point. The 50 Alaskan was designed for heigher pressures, taking advantage of the strength inherint to the 1886, but for a shorter OAL. With the larger capacity of the 50-110 (which, unfortunately, very little modern reloading data has been printed) you can move to slower powders and keep the same velocity, or even greater with the same pressure. Yes, maybe a case of magnum-itus, but if I were hunting with the .458 Winchester Magnum, generating even greater amounts of pressure and energy, you wouldn't call me out like that. My idea here is the find the perfect, lever action, dangerous game rifle. One that could be loaded down for deer, or loaded to to it's potential for Buff and the likes. Please consider that I do know enought to reload safely, and I don't mind the warning; we all can use them from time to time.

Just some food for thought: Un-modified Marlin 336 or 1895 action using .509" case head diameter (not based off rim), should not exceed 40,000psi, best kept around 35,000(studies performed by Randy Garrett of Garrett Cartridges inc.). Extensively modified Marlin (as per Mic McPherson) should not exceed 45,000psi. Note this includes special high-strength barrel, refined barrel threads, internal modifications and custom chamberings; around $4,000. Modern 1886 is capable of safely shooting 50,000psi, while older, original models must be inspected by a compitent gunsmith and shouldn't exceed 30,000psi, even if found in excellent shape. Oh, and Wild West Model 04, good for 60,000psi or so.

Anybody have any good data for the 50-110?