I finally shot a Winchester Model 1895 in 405.I loved it.It didnt kick at all.i have got to buy one.I bought a retarted 458 wim magwhichi never shotbut sold.If anyone has one has a winchester in 405 that they want to sell reasonible I want tobuy it.That gun is so smooth.

dgr

I have one [it is not for sale ]. I like it a lot. Mine is the Take Down model.

They are nice good shooting rifles.

Like you after shooting one [NFMikes on a Prairie Dog hunt ] I had to have one too.

"I bought a retarted 458win mag which never shot but sold" dude your scaring me.........

The 405 is easy shooting and fun to reload. Don't overlook using cast bullets.
My rifle is the case harded reciever model.
What dialect of regional English are you using for your posts?
Jim

I sold the 458 because I could not find any 458 brass anywhere.I almost made it out of 416 brass.I was afraid that the 405 winchester would not be made long by hornady for lack of sales.I called hornady and they said it would only be made for the demand it sold in.

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.I bought a retarted 458 wim magwhichi never shotbut sold

What is a retarted 458 wim mag? WTF? New caliber?

I regret buying that 458 because there was no brass to be found and it was scratched way worse than I thought.i bought it over the internet.I passed up a 405 winchester model 1895 for the model 70 in 458 win mag.I could hardly give the 458 away for what I paid for it.The 405 at $800 was a way better deal.

You gave a M-70 in .458WM the heave-ho over the fact the rifle showed some use, without ever shooting it to find out what you had?

You can always restock a rifle, rechamber to .458 Lott, get it re-blued, etc...

Sorry, but I think you made a dumb-ass mistake.

I have 6 416 rem mags and 8,000 pcs of brass and 5,000 bullets.I got the 458 model 70 for $750 and could hardly get my money out of it.The 458 win mag is about dead these days.I could not find any brass and ammo here in Alaska is $100-125 for the 458 when you can find it.I could have bought the 1895 405 winchester at the same time for $800 .It had been shot but had alot of extras.He had 200 pcs of brass about 5 boxes of bullets and 2 boxes of ammo.I do not find the 458 win mag as versitile as the 416 rem mag .The 416 caliber has just about replaced the 375 and the 458 as the best all around dangerous game rifle.I use my 416s alot more than I would have ever used that 458.The gun I bought was only used as a camp gun for a guide.I can load 325 gr bullets in the 416 which are as flat shooting as the 30-06 or flatter and hit like a mac truck.The 458 is not a flat shooting rifle.They are usually accurate but not along range gun.I wanted the 405 in the 1895 only because I always wanted one.It was just going to be a play shooting gun not my only hunting rifle.I had a 1895 in 30-06 biut they didnt make 405s at the time I bought it.The 458 winchester is just about a dead cartridge these days.It was about the hardest gun to sell I had.I was really suprised how unpopular the 458 wim mag is these days.The only 416s I sold lasted two days at the longest.

You own 6 .416's? Wow...

Hey the .416RM is about as good a DGR cartridge as there is. Still, IMHO you buggered up by dumping that old M-70 .458WM.

Good luck with the .405Win.

its hard to go backwards from a 416 rem mag and a 338-378 weatherby.I hunt with the 338-378 about 85% of the time except for deer hunting which I use the 338 winmag.I use the 416s in the thick brush and as my tent gun.I have shot groups as tight as 1.5" at 200 yards with the 416 rem mag and as tight as 3/4" group in the 338 win mag.I have shot 1" groups at 300 yards with the 338-378.Its hard to go back to lever guns with open sites.I love that 405 winchester because of the history behind it with Teddy Roosevelt.I wish it was a 405-416 so i could use the same bullets in it as my 416s.i hope to use my 416s for dangerous game one day.I judst use it for moose and bear here in alaska.I would use the 405 Winchester up to 100 yards with open sites.Its a very smooth gun.speaking of lever guns.Last year i had 5 25-35 winchester model 94s 4 new ones and 1 old one.I never shot a one just sold them because they increased so much.

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Originally posted by dgr416:
I wanted the 405 in the 1895 only because I always wanted one.It was just going to be a play shooting gun not my only hunting rifle.

Begs the question on why you bought the .458 in the first place, if it's so um, unfashonable.
Funny, I bought the .458 for the same reason as you bought the .405. Is that alright?

Sure the .458 wasn't designed for Alaska, and no one would buy one for long shots.
Sure the 416's are a better bet for all round shooting, most anything would be.

This shortage of .458 brass is a bit of a furfy. When AR members were screaming blue murder in the USA, I could by heaps of it.
Shortly after people there were able to get plenty.

Everyone knows it's made in batches every year or two, and when some "outpost" orders some at the wrong time, it is impossible to get.
Except, somewhere, there are probably plenty of small gunshops that have plentiful supplies.

Then there are the horders, you read about them all the time. ie "I have enough (insert cal) to last me a life time, enough powder to blow the house up and enough bullets to start and finish a war.

So if you have no use for a .458 WM, so what.
I have none for a .405. Last I heard they were only good for Lion.

I've shot the .405 and find it a very manageable cartridge. My own 95 is in 30-06 and with 200 grain bullets and my load it seems to smack more than the .405. I get mildly amused to see the .458 Win Mag drug through the dirt as unsuitable. I first saw that round severely downgraded in writings from Ross Seyfried. He definitely speaks with authority, on doubt about it. I thought he was going to single handedly resurrect the .416 Rigby. I wonder if Harry Selby favored a .458 if it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Of maybe if Mr. Lott didn't have that nasty business with elephants, we wouldn't know how anemic this round is. Still, I'm not going to volunteer to stand in front of an incoming round even at 400 yards. Eveyone seems hell bent of getting a 45-70 up to .458 specs. Hmmmmmm............

I have learned from reading Elmer Keiths books how to shoot the big bores.The 405 1895 I shot had a limsaver slip on pad on it.It kicked like 20 ga dove loads to me.I shot a 470 capstick the same day as the 405 Winchester with a 500 gr bullet at 2400 fps that kicked I admit it it but hell yeah I want one.I have shot my 416 rem mags 150 times after shooting 300 rounds of 338 win mag in two of my 338s.Its easy to shoot big rifles.I use a standing bench and two past pads and a 60 pound bull bag.I teach all kinds of people to shoot my 416s at the range.

My brush gun here in Alaska is a 7.5 pound 416 rem mag model 700 with a 22" barrel .Its the Remington Big Game Rifle.I feel the 416 rem mag is way bewtter for all around use than the 458 win mag.I think the 458 win mag is awesome but has seen its day.The 416 rifles are replacing both the 375 caliber and 458 caliber rifles.I had to decide the same day which one to buy the 458 model 70 for $750 or the 405 winchester 1895 with 5 boxes of shells for $800 .I srewed up on that deal.The model 70 458 was a super grade 1973 push feed.Its was an awesome rifle but I could not find a piece of brass anywhere for under $2 each or any ammo for under $110 a box.It took me forever to sell the 458 and i looked for another 405 but could not find any for under $1200.I found a reblued 30-40 krag 1895 for $500 with a broken hammer spring.I was going to convert it to 405 but didnt.I just shot this new 405 1895 the other week and really loved that gun.It does need a recoil pad not a steel butt plate.It does not kick any harder than any heavy dove load 20 ga.Teddy Roosevelt and Elmer Keith are my Heros and they both liked the 405 winchester so do I.If I ever got another 458 win mag it would be an old Ruger 77.I am waiting for 416 ruger to become a factory load to make a old model 77 Ruger in a 416 Ruger.I can shoot a old model 77 Ruger faster than any lever gun I ever shot.
I still cant believe I had 5 25-35 Winchesters last year and never shot one of them.I waited forever for those guns.Its just if you can hold out for the gold or go for the gusto.I have not seen many more 25-35 winchesters floating around either in the new model.I have a list of older cartridges I always wanted guns in :220 Swift still dont have one,25-35 winchester sold all of those,264 winchester still have two in stainless Rugers,458 winchester but I was disapointed in the brass not being avaiable sold both of them, The 338 win mag I had 12 sold two I love that cliber.There needs to be a factory BLR in 338 win mag in stainless laminated.The 416 rem mag I have 6 of those love them all need a few more.The 338-378 weatherby have two my att reach out and touch something gun.I want a 357 maxium lever gun dont know why just do .I gotta get a 32 Mag lever action marlin before they are gone too.I think the 405 and the 1895 go together perfict I just have to find one for the right price.I always regreted selling my browning 1985 in 30-06 I should have rebored it to 338-06 I guess .

i got one of the new ones in 405 i'm thinking of getting rid of. whatcha give me for it?

love the 405 and admire teddy check my nickname,the405 works great on game too,but ilike the barnes 300x better than the hornady offerings waiting to try the hawk's and northfork

I got my Win 95 405 WCF back in 2001? when they were first available.I love mine! I sent mine off to Fread Zeglin at Z-HAT to have express sights installed with a 3/32 ivory bead front sight and refinished in Robar Ind. NP3 FINISH.
Amra