i have a winchester m94(made in 1972) in 35/30. it used to be 30-30 but JES Reboring took care of that. i have a 200gr rcbs fn gc and 12ish lbs of 2400 and 3ish lbs of rel7 that i can shoot. i think that the 2400(with/without dacron) will be best at the velocity i choose(1700fps). i can take it up to 2000+fps(rel7) but the deer don't know the difference,but my shoulder will!!! i shot a buck and two does with my 444 marlin and 300gr fn gc with 24.0gr of 2400/dacron and it was going 1624fps.

the 35/30 is about the first wildcat cartridge. it will be slightly behind(velocity) the 35 remington. i'm told that 30-30 and 32 win spl that were "shot out", were rebored to 35/30 win(.358" ). mine is rebored to .359".

my m94 in 30-30 has killed many deer. but 20-25 years ago, i gave the m94 a retirement(safe queen). it was the first buck and first doe i killed. it was first reloaded round too. but i was basically bored of the 30-30, so i gave her my retirement. then all of the sudden, i was interested in wildcat/obsolete cartridges, like the 30-40 krag and the 9.3x57 and 20 vartarg and.... well i gots this 30-30 and JES can do a wildcat, so........i sent to him and in 3 weeks(1 week to get her, 1 week to rebore, 1 week to get her back) i got a 35/30 win. i have a couple hundred of 30-30 brass, but since this is a "new" cartridge, i ordered 250 pcs of starline 30-30 brass. i also got a 35/30 reloading dies that is CH4D. i have done a 100 pcs of brass and all that is left is to load them up. i am going to try 16.0 thru 20.0gr of 2400/dacron to see if it is safe(it should be, i've read that 23.0gr of 2400 is safe, but i don't believe it until i try it). i am going off of lyman's #49 reloading book in 35 remington.

well anyway, who has a 35/30?

http://www.35caliber.com/

https://www.ch4d.com/

Sounds like a 38-55 in a dress!! Only wildcat I ever had on a 94 was a .30 on a 30-40 case..It was about a 30-40 Krag or 300 Savage, made by an Arizona gunsmith Im told and he was of some fame its said..I presently have 3 30-30s and two 25-35s..I still hunt with them from time to time and have shot black bear, mule deer, whitethails, Antelope and elk with both calibers early on many years ago..

My latest 30-30 is a 30-30 Saddle ring carbine that was sent back to Win. in the early 30s or 40s to have a mod. 64 front end on it..Its basically a 64 30-30 on a SRC action or a straight griped mod 64....I really like this one, it ultra cool and all work was done by Win Im told and it has the duble W stamp twice...Its close to 85 percent over all and original in some respects, as its a special order gun from Win. Back in the day when most gun companies would do whatever one asked, to bad that's changed.... This one is my pet...

tdoyka, I bought mine from Sam Rose on this board, and now it belongs to a gentleman from this board in Texas. I think it is a very underrated round and you are right -- one of our first and very useful wildcats.
I'm fooling with an old Marlin in .35 Remington right now, as I could not get the .35 out of my system.

left to right
35/30-30 starline brass casing
200gr rcbs fn gc
35/30-30 win with 200gr fn gc
30-30 with 165gr ranch dog
165gr ranch dog

CH4D makes them. its $116 s/h included.
https://www.ch4d.com/

i chose the 35/30 for the long neck. i can use 200-280gr boolits, while the 35 rem tops out at 220+gr boolits because of its short neck.

what are you necking up with? neck expander wise, 30 to 35.

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Originally posted by john c.:
what are you necking up with? neck expander wise, 30 to 35.

i just take a 30-30 case and run it into the 35/30 fl die. thats it.

yesterday i fired the 200gr fn gc and 16.0 - 20.0gr of 2400/dacron in my 35/30. it werked fine but i forgot the chrony!!!!! i should've put up a target(i fired at a 3"x3"x1" piece of steel painted fluorescent orange ) but i was more interested in the loads and my face (rofl) !!! the 16.0, 16.5, and the 17.0 of 2400 had soot on their cases, while the 17.5 thru 20.0gr did not. (the cases are 30-30 starline necked up to 35/30.) i also think that i can go up 2 - 3gr of 2400, but stupid :P "forgot" his chrony and now i don't know if the loads achieves 1700-1800fps. dang stupid, i should fire him. (rofl)

shooting wise, i have a hard time on open sights, esp at 100 yards. a williams peep sight is my next move. but anyway i'll say that i did 50-60% on the orange painted steel. the rifle wasn't on a rest, it was on a tripod. and i was using my ol' kentucky windage!!! i had to raise the rifle up to put her on the target, she was 5 or 6" low and she was on the left/right. i was shooting her in a sleeveless t shirt and i could feel no recoil, or at least just a little itty bit of recoil. i shoot 5 shot strings and i couldn't feel the barrel heating up. 5 minutes after the string, i would shoot again. i should have stupid (rofl) check for powder residue in the barrel after each string, but i checked it afterwards, she was clean.


i should've rebored her years ago, i've forgotten how much fun the m94 is.

T-- don't be too hard on yourself. I have arrived at the range: without the ammo; without the chronograph; without the gun.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
T-- don't be too hard on yourself. I have arrived at the range: without the ammo; without the chronograph; without the gun.

Wow- that's a story of its own, I'm sure...

Doug, at least it didn't all happen on the same day ...

this afternoon i fire formed the 35/30 and the williams fp sight in. . i was using a 200gr fn gc and 20.0gr of 2400/tuft of dacron that goes 1726fps avg. my groups ranged from 1 3/4 - 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards(5 shoots/benched). i would run 3 shots at 3/4 - 1 1/4" at 100 yards. JES Reboring has another life long customer!!!!

i guessed that 20gr of 2400 was around 1700fps and danged if i'm right. that will be enuff for deer. i'm going to go 21 - 22gr of 2400, just to see if it goes up to 1800fps. but i think that 1726fps and an average 2 - 2 1/4" at 100 yards will be hard to beat. my average shot will be 50+/- yards at the deer/black bear.

I have thought about this round or the 300 Savage necked up. I guess the Marlin 336 would be my choice for one gun but would have to get an encore or contender barrel as a little brother. Be Well. Packy

That gunsmith in ARizona is still rechambering mod. 94 and Marlin 336s to the 30-40 Krag case and it really sends that .308 bullet sizzling, about like a 300 Savage Im told..and pressures are within safe bounds Im told..I shot on in a Marlin and a win in a 30-40 imp. case some years ago, both of the guns I shot had new Douglas barrels on them for whatever reason and they were pretty thick..I concluded Id prefer a mod. 99 Savage in .308..

I do want a Marlin 336 in 25-35 with a 24" or 26" barrel with my Leupold Alaskan 2.5X scope, its a cute rifle, if I ever get it back from my smith who is crippled up for now.

When you DO get it back please get us a photo Ray. Someone can help if you're like me with techie subjects. Be Well. Packy

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Originally posted by tdoyka:
this afternoon i fire formed the 35/30 and the williams fp sight in. . i was using a 200gr fn gc and 20.0gr of 2400/tuft of dacron that goes 1726fps avg. my groups ranged from 1 3/4 - 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards(5 shoots/benched). i would run 3 shots at 3/4 - 1 1/4" at 100 yards. JES Reboring has another life long customer!!!!
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Glad to hear they got it right. Can't remember the details but somewhere on AR there is a thread about a barrel they got wrong, IIRC.

ON the matter of forgetting stuff, once when herding my teenage sons, I took one shotgun from the car to the skeet range in its case. Between rounds the gun was propped on a stand and, on packing up, I managed to take the boys, their guns and the guncase home but left my Beretta on the stand. Fortunately, it spent the night in the club's safe.

off topic but also about forgetting things....my father in law built a hunting lodge in gunnison colo in the 70s and in the early 80s during elk season he sent his son up the hillside with a loaded rifle. kid sees an elk, pulls the trigger, goes click, no ammo. hikes back down. tells his father to give him some $%^# ammo. father in law roots around, hands him a few shells and off he goes. gets halfway up mountain and decides to load gun. wrong caliber. hikes back down to truck, throws rifle and ammo in truck and goes to sleep. paw in law gets back from hunting few hours later. son tells him to check his gun. wrong caliber. had a 270 chambered in a 30-06 if i remember right. son had the 06 ammo. till the day died he details escaped him. but tell him what size house you wanted to build and he could tell u how many bundles of lumber you needed off the top of his head. i used to mess with him by having him tell me the exact sequence of reloading 357 mag. without fail he'd get some steps wrong then get furious when i proved him wrong. but in his mind he was the greatest handloader ever lived. i refused to ever shoot any of his loads.

was at my reloading bench when i found this.

35/30
win m94
williams peep sight
200gr fn gc
20.0gr of 2400/.6+/- of dacron



the target was to zero the rifle. number 3 really amazed me, two in one hole. my blind butt must've ate a whole bunch of carrots to do this!!!!!!!

i shot this at 100 yards. 37 shots on fire forming 35/30.

200gr fn gc
20.0gr of 2400/.6gr of dacron
1726fps avg

win m94


it was hard for me to see the red center, as you can see!!!!!!!! i'm better off using homemade targets.

I agree John. I never shoot anyone else's loads. I had a customer several years ago that was so taken with my reloading that he wanted to start himself. So far so good. I don't KNOW but I assume that in his trial run that beer was involved as I was not there. I do know that his 357 handloads blew up his S+W model 66. I knew he was at fault, everyone did but the next day, RCBS sent him a new scale + S+W sent him a new revolver. Cheaper than bad press.