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Any commnets on the various Winchester 71 reproductions - Browning 71, Pedersoli 86/71, others? Got an itch, and a decent, true, blue, Win 71 is likely out out my budget. | ||
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Recently sold my Browning Model 71 not for any reason other than converting that money to a match rifle. Had an original while living in Alaska and either way the rifles are a mechanical marvel in smoothness and that 348 caliber will definitely get the job done on about any critter in North America with ease. Actually the Browning had a better fit and finish than the Winchester and was a bit more accurate as well, so if you end up with a Browning it will not disappoint you. | |||
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I've got a well used original Winchester and a repro Browning. They are near identical (no tang safety or rebound hammer). The Winchester is a little looser from years of use but both are smooth as glass. Someday I plan to install a repro 98A sight on the Brownings bolt. | |||
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I've owned two brownings in both barrel lengths, and six original Winchesters rifles in long and short tang. The brownings out shoot the originals all day long. Tolerances are better, and they have tighter chambers. I only Handloaded the 200 grain Hornady, as that bullet was the cheapest and easiest to get 20 years ago, when I went through my 71 and 86 craze phase. I am still pissed that the Japanese Winchester 1886's and 71's have that stupid tang safety. The Brownings were done right! Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I put a Lyman 66 on an Japanese 86 (not so) extra light weight. It was a tax driver, as far as big bore leverguns go. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Get the Buffalo Arms catalog, they are in North Idaho, they have some Win. 71 knockoffs that are actually better and prettier than the Win originals, in 45-70...and priced to sell..They have some awesome rifles for sale..Highwalls, Sharpes and what all..Its a shooter candy store of stuff you seldom see on the shelves. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, The Italian reproductions are nice looking but they got some bad reviews. But it is still a great place to find some cool stuff for sure. DRSS | |||
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What do the repro's cost? You can get a pretty decent org unscrewed with post war 71 deluxe in the low $2K range. Since it was a low production model & already been out of production for 60yrs I see them going up in value & will always be a Winchester, while all the others will always be a copy. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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Her a real Winchester, use it as appreciates in value if you care. There's nothing like a model 71 for handling in the field. | |||
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Ive owned a number of .348 long tang mod. 71, beautiful guns.. I had a hard time finding 71,s that shot, most about 4 inches at 100 yards, but I had a couple that shot pretty good at 2.5"s..Seems to me the 86s always shot better?? The Brownings shoot best of the 71s without a doubt, but not as well finished, and too much wood bulk IMO. Bill73, The Pedersols and Italian Win. knockoff rifles getting good reviews locally,, what is the problem and where did you get that information, Like to do some homework before I buy one.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray- It might be your vintage eye sight, my experience is that most guns shoot better than the avg shooter can using iron sights. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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you can get a used browning in better shape for around a grand. The new ones about 1300 to 1500, but then it will cost you another 200 to 300 to have it de lawyered. | |||
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Ray, just look up in the internet,lots of forums where people bought these with problems,I do not know if the newer guns are better? DRSS | |||
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Kebco, Ya reckon!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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My Browning 71 is identical in function to my Winchester 71. I dont believe (but I admit I could be wrong) they ever added safeties or rebound hammers to the Brownings, it's the later Winchesters that had the changes. | |||
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Recently sold my Browning Mod. 71 and they did not have the tang safety and lawyer approved trigger. The Winchesters offered today do have those features, but regardless they are nice rifles. | |||
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Exactly, the Browning rifles have been out of production for over 30 years. | |||
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without a doubt the 71 and 86's are beautiful rifles. Ive owned a few over the years, the same can be said for the early 94's and 92's, I particularly like the 94 SRC's and oct. rifles. I still hunt with these in 30-30 and 25-35 for Mule deer and white tail in Texas..Fun guns. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The Browning 71s have an interia firing pin. I've only had trouble with one,and that was because it was slightly bowed and I was able to fix it myself. Aren't those Pedersolis in .45-70, so not a true 71 reproduction? _______________ DSC NRA Benefactor | |||
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wile at the era show this year i spoke with the turnbull people. when asking about getting rid of the tang safety they quoted me a price that was more than i paid for the gun new!! who else does this without asking that kind of price? my bison did not care if it had a safety or not but i do. | |||
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Mike Hunter Restorations also does "delawyering", I have seen his work but have never asked pricing. I have combined a case refinish with the work from Turnbull and while not inexpensive makes a nice looking gun. | |||
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Don't know why it would cost much..I just pull it out of a new Win SRC mod. 95, 30-06..tigged the hole up ground it and polished it and blued the tang only.. Any smith should do that for $100 to perhaps a $150..It still has the half cock safety when you do that..????? I showed another fellow how to do it and he used black glass to fill the hole, and cold blued it. looked OK and was certainly functional and didn't cost him a dime. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atkinson: Don't know why it would cost much..I just pull it out of a new Win SRC mod. 95, 30-06..tigged the hole up ground it and polished it and blued the tang only.. Any smith should do that for $100 to perhaps a $150.. By doing the conversion that way you retain the rebounding hammer. Did you shorten the leg on the Y piece of the rebounding hammer to disable it? If you have one of the gunsmiths do the work, they remove the modern parts and alter or replace them with the original lockwork. The reason this is done is to inshure a good hammerstrike. The rebounding hammers do not always provide good ignition. If your gun works, then you are good, hut just removing the tang safety will not fix a gun that is afflicted by light strikes. | |||
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No I didn't do anything more than take out the safty with a pair of nippers, tinny junk..tigged up the hole and reblued the tang, added a fold down tang peep..The hammer fall was not weak at all..A friend did the same and no problems..based on what I saw one might be looking for trouble to do otherwise..We did our gun several years ago and I sold mine later to another good friend and both have had a lot of miles in the saddle and lots of shooting. BTW the half cock worked very well indeed giving me the impression the tang safety was nothing more than a add on..Since it worked I went with my experience of if it ain't broke don't fix it especially in gunsmithing... But never forget my rule of thumb, the good Lord takes care of drunks and fools!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Your gun was good then. I have had several where the hammer strike is light on the rebounding hammer and by clipping the extra leg, it negates the rebound feature and the hammer hits harder. The rebounders look like 1/2 cock, but really they are about 1/3 cock. This not only afflicts 71's and 86's but also 94's and 95's with this feature. | |||
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I have a Pedersoli '86 in 45/70. Very classy rifle which shoots accuratelu to boot!  Hold still varmint; while I plugs yer! If'n I miss, our band of 45/70 brothers, will fill yer full of lead! | |||
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They sure look nice with great fit and finish.Not sure what the bad points are and the locals love them, so I got interested and they are in 45-70 as questioned, I don't mind that, its perhaps an even better caliber for its intended use and brass and bullets are easier to come by..That may be a plus to some.. One might be better off with a original,I don't know, but Ive had a few original 71s that were not much in the accuracy dept,so any gun can be a lemon is probably the fact. As with any rifle, you roll the dice and your pretty well stuck with whatcha get.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have an original made in 1936 that I came across at a local pawn shop. It was tagged $1800; I offered $1500, and we settled on $1600. It has the bolt peep sight, and is in very good condition. I think it spent most of its life standing in the corner of a closet because there was some rust on the butt plate. I've been working on cast bullet loads, and so far a 210 grain GC bullet over 35 grains of H322 works very well. | |||
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Well, when it came down to it, I pulled the trigger (no pun) on a Browning 71. Local gun shop had one that had been gathering dust on the wall for a few years. Like new, no box. We dickered a bit and I walked out the door with the gun for under $750. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I'll finally get a chance to shoot some of the 348 Win Ammo I've had stashed for years !! | |||
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Ray, The early ones would not feed worth a damn,hope they have cleared that up now. DRSS | |||
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I think you bought a long tang,those guns were hand finished,I have three of them,two with bolt mounted peep sights,you did well. DRSS | |||
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$750 is a great price for a Browning,Congratulations.I have been looking for a carbine model myself for awhile. DRSS | |||
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Id like to find a Browning for $750 also, would even by them by the dozen! Actually I would prefer an old deluxe bolt peep Win. if push came to shove..but Id like to shoot it first.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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