Friend of mine has come into the possession of an old scabbard. It came out of the Bedrock Store (Paradox Valley Colorado) on the Utah border. The area has a lot of history in the 1880's & 90's and was a wild & wooly area into the 1930's. The store dates back to that era and is in the same vicinity as an old 'boarding house' (bordello) and cabin where Butch Cassidy stayed at after robbing a bank in Telluride (pre-Sundance Kid). The scabbard is carbine length and has a brass (?) affair on it near the top that strikes me as allowing for a bolt knob for an early autoloader (????) like a Rem model 8 or Winchester 1907. I can't picture what it would be for on a lever gun.

There are no markings that I can see as to maker. I have photos but am techno challenged as to posting them. PM me and I will gladly send pics.

Matt, check PMs. I can help with photos.

Email sent with photos (I hope!).

Here they are, Matt. I'll bet Ray can help out on this.

It's a military scabbard, 7th calvary, the metal is for the bolt handle, or if later dated the 1903 springfield, would know by fit, which rifle. My bet is an early Krag carbine since it's a carbine. The leather straps are designed for a Mccullen (sp?) saddle.

I've seen them around many times in horse barns, ranches, outfitters, years ago, they used to be fairly common as they fit many rifles like a win 95, 94 or whatever, I have not seen one in a number of years, I doubt they have much value, but you never know these days.Collectors might want one to match up a saddle and pay gooe for it, or some cowboy with a worn out meat gun if is cheap enough.

WW II M1938 M1 Garand scabbard.

https://www.worldwarsupply.com...cabbard-marked-1944/

It would have to be a carbine and don't think it fits that late date, since the leather is for a Mcclellen saddle before the Garand was a twinkle in the US miliarys eye..and a std garand would not fit, barrel is too long and the carbine version never met a saddle scabbard. My take on the subject..

This:

https://www.worthpoint.com/wor...-rifle-scabbard-jqmd

is the scabbard for the McClellen saddle. The difference between it and the M1938 is obvious.

Another example:

https://www.worthpoint.com/wor...bard-jqmd-2008301586

Matt, find an M1 and see how it fits, find a Springfield and a Krag and see how they fit.

Let us know.

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Originally posted by rcraig:
WW II M1938 M1 Garand scabbard.

https://www.worldwarsupply.com...cabbard-marked-1944/

Always seems to be a bit of an oxymoron to me, self loading rifle and horse.

Grizz

Rcraig,
Thats not the same saddle scabbard, not even close, It lacks the metal bolt slide and the saddle straps are for a modern day cowboy saddle..There is a chance that one has been modified, but without it in hand I would hesitate to guarentee that.

These scabbards are sold by individuals that really have no clue in the first place.

Im 98% sure that my assesment is correct
I have nothing more to add..

After a lot of googling I believe this is indeed a WW2 M1 Garand scabbard. Many photos uncovered. Since there wasn't much Calvary at that time, I believe it might be for a jeep M1 Garand mount. Found several photos of similar rigs mounted on a jeep.

Possible it's for a Krag Carbine or Springfield 1903 ....but still lean towards it being a jeep mount set-up for a Garand.

P.S. This isn't for sale. It was a gift to a barber friend of mine that has it hanging in his shop. I was intrigued and wanted to better I.D. it.

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Originally posted by Matt Norman:
After a lot of googling I believe this is indeed a WW2 M1 Garand scabbard. Many photos uncovered. Since there wasn't much Calvary at that time, I believe it might be for a jeep M1 Garand mount. Found several photos of similar rigs mounted on a jeep.

Possible it's for a Krag Carbine or Springfield 1903 ....but still lean towards it being a jeep mount set-up for a Garand.

P.S. This isn't for sale. It was a gift to a barber friend of mine that has it hanging in his shop. I was intrigued and wanted to better I.D. it.

Your assessment is correct. The metal piece is for clearance for the op rod on the M1. No way will a Krag or Springfield easily enter or exit that scabbard. The scabbard is for jeeps, tracked/wheeled vehicles, motorcylcles. NOT a saddle.

This:

https://www.worthpoint.com/wor...-03-springfield-wwii

is a scabbard for the 1903 Springfield.

The straps ARE for a military saddle and the Army had thousands of horses and started killing them in the late 1940s into the 1950s..they contracted with my dad to kill the horses for dog food in 1950. We contracted their graze at the time..

This scabbard shape wise doesn't fit any automatic rifle design but could be for a Springfield 1903..You could however strap any kind of saddle scabbard to a jeep regardless of make or model if in fact it fit the gun..

In the long past those scabbards were sold for next to nothing in military surplus stores and most of the ranchers in the Texas Big bend stuffed their 30-30, 30-40s, 30-o6, mod 94, 95s in them in the PU floor boards and on their saddles, some cut the metal off and that exposed the bolt handle and kept the gun scabbard flat and sort of out of the way, so to speak..

Anyway, that's my opinion, without the scabbard in hand and the ability to stuff a gun in it to see what fits..I doubt you could stuff a Garand
in it, maybe an M1 carbine? dunno? but finding what fits would be where Id start if I were you.