My late uncle hunted deer for years with an old pre 64 Model 94 30-30. He shot at many deer. Now I know why he never killed any of them.

I note on his rifle (now mine) that he had the rear sight as low as it will go, but when I shoot the gun it is hitting a about 6-8 inches high.

I know on iron sights one moves the rear sight in the direction one wants the group to go (which in this case would be lower). But no more room to go lower, so I surmise that the font sight must have to go higher. The question is, how much higher. And where to buy a new font sight for a pre 64 model 94?

Devide the sight radius by the distance to the target, and multiply the answer with the distance you want the POI to change.

Note that all dimensions must be in the same units.

Not sure what the sight radius is, but I guess you are looking at about 0.035" (I have assumed an 18" sight radius).

Can't help with the second half of the question.

Another way you could look at it is that open sights are no great shakes, anyway, so remove the rear sight and install an aperture receiver sight.
With luck you'll be able get a Lyman 66 or similar low enough to work.

Brownells and Midway should sell front sights, if you do want another one. If using a peep sight and you still want another front sight, I'd look for a sourdough type such as the old Redfield or the one sold with Ghost Rings.

Or fit a tall front sight and file down to regulate.
Or do what I did with my Win 94 in 1966; put on a peep sight; I used a Williams 5D, which then, actually lived up to it's name and cost, 5 dollars. For you young guys, that was a fortune for a high school student in 1966. I still have the 94, which cost me $60; a pre 64.

I could be wrong----I usually am, but I think a peep sight would be higher than a barrel mounted rear sight. If you put a front sight on It would be better to err on the high side as the rear sight could always be raised.

Hip

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Or fit a tall front sight and file down to regulate.
Or do what I did with my Win 94 in 1966; put on a peep sight; I used a Williams 5D, which then, actually lived up to it's name and cost, 5 dollars. For you young guys, that was a fortune for a high school student in 1966. I still have the 94, which cost me $60; a pre 64.

I put a 5D on my early-70s vintage Marlin 1895.

Cranked all the way down, it still shot high at 50 yds.

Higher front sight from Lyman fixed it. I didn't do the math. Just winged it.

The 5D had enough elevation to handle it and put them dead center from 50 out to 100 yds.

Yeah, I put a receiver sight on my Marlin .35 Rem. I had to put a big fat ivory sight (unk. origin) to dial it in. It was only good to about 50 yds as it blocked way too much of the target---great deer rifle though!
In fact I sold that rifle to dpcd for parts after the barrel went south!

Hip

Which is now a 45-70!

You lied to me---you said it was going to be a .444!

Hip

That was one option but I changed the plan. I found a 1972 45-70 barrel in my pile of barrels.

Brownells catalog has the formula for that or did for years..

Best is a receiver sight, crank it down low, install a highesT blade front sight from Brownells and file it to zero as you shoot..go slow with the file..

I like 3" high at 100 yards, most seem to like dead on,or 1" high or 2" high, at 100. To me that confirms "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy!!''

At any rate you need a higher front sight or a lower rear sight..

You forgot that no one east of the rockies shoots iron sights over 100 yards anyway. It's heavy wooded here. So a 100 yard zero is fine. Your deer will be shot at 45 yards.

I shot 1 deer at about 90 yds. All the rest were from 10ft. to 4o yds.

I sight in my Eastern DEER rifles in at 50 yrds.-----DEAD ON!

If I miss a deer any further out-----YOU KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!!

Hip

I don't see the wisdom in that, 3" high is 4"high at 100 is dead on at 150 with a 30-30, center mass up to 200 yards..and tested with all my 30-30s and 25-35..Ive had no isues at all and it helps out when you get a long shot, and you will at times regardless of where you hunt, across a field, across a canyon or revene, down a dirt road of clearcut. there is no thicker brush than in South Texas..

Given the inevitable "wobble factor" and aging eyes, 3 or 4 inches high at 100 yards could easily be a missed shot.

Give me dead on, if only for that reason.

I like the idea of installing a higher front sight and filing it down. But that removes the so- called "bead" off the front sight and all that remains is a "blade" type sight.

I have to find someplace that sells front sights of different heights (with a bead or dot) and determine which one I need. Obviously starting with one that is higher than the current resident!

Thanks gentlemen!

Well for a front sight height you can either use a sight height calculator, there are a few online. However I just went and bought a 30-30 laser boresighter and sighted it in on the dot. you can hot glue a toothpick to the front sight ramp and snip it down with fingernail clippers then measure it with calipers.
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Here's a boresighter on Ebay for $8.58 delivered:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28290...tkp%3ABk9SR4rj6-yUYQ

Now for a rear sight I use a williams fiber optic ghost ring:

https://www.brownells.com/rifl...wgos--prod30914.aspx



just see that brownells is out of stock, but midway has them:
https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...006010178?pid=956780

Now you take it off the base and put it on a williams WDOS base:


Looks like Brownells isn't carrying that one any more but midway does:

https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...005987284?pid=211355

You just put this in the rear dovetail and it makes for a very nice, fast and convenient rear sight. Mine sits a bit lower than the stock rear sight so if you are happy with your current front sight you may want to see if it works now if you choose to take this approach. I'm wanting to put a tritium inside a white dot into mine but have been having a tough time finding one that I like, and right now my 94 is in pieces for a refinish job.

Oh, lastly if you have a hood I replaced my 94 hood with a model 70 hood which gets covered almost perfectly with the ghost ring.

Also here's Brownells sight calculator but you need to have Shockwave/Flash installed for it to work.

https://www.brownells.com/gunt...detail.htm?lid=13186

Brownell's used to sell a dozen pack of dove tail plastic front sights with sections and about and inch high, snip them off until it shoots to your desired POI, same principle as your tooth pics, remove and measure them and order a front sight..I had a bunch of them and after many uses and saved I just reused them..but I don't seem then anymore, what a shame..Made sighting in a snap.