Just talked to Jack Huntington about this and he wants to know how many of you Lever Action Shooters would be interested in doing this as he has the reamer,just needs to make a brass order.There is a $500 tooling charge and a mininum of 25,000 cases! to be made(at 40 cents each)....If we pooled together,then we could get this going....This is basically a 50 Alaskan case,but .500 instead of .510....So,if interested,please "raise your hand now"
PS.This will work in Winchester,Browning and Marlin Rifle LEVER conversions(1895,1886,348,1871,etc)Several "Leversmiths" such as Mr.Turnbull,Jack Huntington and Dave Clay could do this,I'm sure....

I have an intrest in such a rifle,
I wonder if brockmans is going to do it ?
...tj3006

Why not just cut off Starline 50-90 Sharps cases cut off, rim removed an extractor groove cut? Just size and shoot, already available.

Hmm,will this work?

Wouldn't these be too big in diameter to fit in .500 S&W chambers? Can you reduce the case diameter top to bottom? I've never heard of that. If so, why not use .50 AK brass? I would love it if this can be done but I sure don't know how to do it safely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

I would be interested in an affordable companion to my 4" X-frame 500 S&W. Thought there was some discussion on this before and surprised that Marlin or one of the foriegn reproduction companies hadn't brought something like this out yet. Rodney.

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Originally posted by Rodney H.{500Jeffery}:
I would be interested in an affordable companion to my 4" X-frame 500 S&W. Thought there was some discussion on this before and surprised that Marlin or one of the foriegn reproduction companies hadn't brought something like this out yet. Rodney.

With all the popularity of the .500 S&W it's surprising that more companies haven't picked it up. I would have thought that by now there would be leverguns and a slew of wildcats short, long, small cal, and big cal. I've been waiting for a longer version for the BFR since I got it but I have heard noyhing at all. These current discussions are the only feedback I've gotten on the matter. I've been surprised by this but probably shouldn't be. Look how long it took for the .338-06 and .458 Lott to become legitimized.

How do you like the 4" S&W 500? I like it better than the other models because of it's balance and it's about as short as I would want in a .500. 5" is good too. The reason I chose the BFR over the 8 3/8 S&W is it's balance and longer cylinder capabilities. The 7.5" BFR (really 8 1/8") and the 4" S&W 500 are my favorite big bores in their class.

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Just talked to Jack Huntington about this and he wants to know how many of you Lever Action Shooters would be interested in doing this as he has the reamer,just needs to make a brass order.There is a $500 tooling charge and a mininum of 25,000 cases! to be made(at 40 cents each)....If we pooled together,then we could get this going....This is basically a 50 Alaskan case,but .500 instead of .510....So,if interested,please "raise your hand now"
PS.This will work in Winchester,Browning and Marlin Rifle LEVER conversions(1895,1886,348,1871,etc)Several "Leversmiths" such as Mr.Turnbull,Jack Huntington and Dave Clay could do this,I'm sure....

I feel kinda stupid now that I've realized that we MIGHT BE talking about two different cartridge ideas. Are you talking about a .50 Alaskan case necked or tapered to .500 ?" I've been talking about a "stretched" .500 S&W case at 2.1" with no other changes. Sorry if there is any confusion.

I would be happy with just short handy lever carbine in just the factory 500 S&W, but a stretched magnum version would be cool if it would also chamber the regular for versitility with the BFR or X-frame. I like the X-frame in 4" very much and is managable to keep on target. Rodney.

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Originally posted by Rodney H.{500Jeffery}:
I would be happy with just short handy lever carbine in just the factory 500 S&W, but a stretched magnum version would be cool if it would also chamber the regular for versitility with the BFR or X-frame. I like the X-frame in 4" very much and is managable to keep on target. Rodney.

I talked to a guy at Legacy Sports and he said they've been tossing the idea around about making a lever in .500 S&W but haven't decided on anything. I wonder if the Legacy/Puma brand of Winchester 92's can be made to function with the .500 or if they would need a new base rifle. If they can get it to feed it should work since it can digest the hotter than hell .454! I want one too, in both calibers!!

I wonder why Legacy/Puma offered the .480 Ruger when it would have been much cooler to offer it in .475 Linebaugh? I guess there's a reason but I don't know what it is. If it was offered in .475 I would already have one and so would a lot of other people. The .480 would work in it too so it's WIN, WIN!!

The .454 is a good cartridge for it though and if all else fails, that's what I'll go with. It would make a nice mate for my 4 5/8 Ruger Blackhawk. The Legacy/Puma 92 is finished pretty darned good for a factory rifle in it's $$$ class. I'm talking myself into one right now!! .454, 18",............. blued......

Hey guys, new to this forum thing but was looking thru it for some info. I have been working with SSK Industries (JD Jones and Company) since early 2005 with all my series of wildcat cartridges, both on lever guns and bolt guns in .500 diameter. One of these-the 50 B&M Alaskan is exactly what you are talking about--50 Alaskan squeezed down to .500 diameter. I have two rifles built on the Browning M71s with 18 inch barrels, and a Marlin Guide gun chambered in this cartridge. JD has put the cartridge in Encores. We both have done a great deal of work with the cartridge and it has performed great. My favorite load is with the 500 gr Hornady at just a tad under 2000 fps in the 18 inch guns. 400 gr Sierras at a tad over 2000 fps. I have also done a good bit of bullet work with these loads, and the 500 Hornady gives great terminal performance from 1400--2100 fps. SSK Industries has the reamers and the experience to convert either a M71 or the Marlins, of course the Encores are easy. JD did a short article on it in last months American Handgunner if you want to take a look. I would be happy to share load data and help in any way I can. If interested just contact SSK Industries--or for info drop me a line michael458@earthlink.net
Michael

I forgot to mention that dies are available from both Hornady and RCBS. Everything is already in place for this cartridge and conversions are easy and reasonably priced, and data available for the asking.
Michael

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Originally posted by michael458:
I forgot to mention that dies are available from both Hornady and RCBS. Everything is already in place for this cartridge and conversions are easy and reasonably priced, and data available for the asking.
Michael

Is anyone doing BFR's in this cartridge? Can it also fire the .500 S&W or would it need two cylinders for that? It definately sounds like you would need two cylinders!!!

BTW, welcome to the forum!

I feel kinda stupid now that I've realized that we MIGHT BE talking about two different cartridge ideas. Are you talking about a .50 Alaskan case necked or tapered to .500 ?" I've been talking about a "stretched" .500 S&W case at 2.1" with no other changes. Sorry if there is any confusion. [/QUOTE]
You are Correct..streeeetched 500 Smith so we wont have to rebarrel or rebore cylinder to .510..Simple Conversion !

OK-maybe I am confused too. In the beginning of this topic it is mentioned a 50 Alaskan case squeezed or sized down for .500 diameter! That is exactly what I am talking about--50 B&M Alaskan. It is .500 diameter--NOT .510 diameter. I have it on Winchester/Browning M71s and a Marlin Guide gun in lever actions. So I think somewhere along the way with talk about 50 Alaskan--we or I must have become confused. Sorry!
Michael

Wouldn't a 1 7/8" or 2" version be more friendly to interchange with the parent cartridge? Anyone of these will be significantly more power in a carbine. The 2.1 length sounds good but I would want full interchangeability between the two without excessive free bore with the shorter. I know there are some New England brand single shots out there in 500 S&W, has anyone done any load developement with this in a rifle configuration yet to see what can be acheived? Doesn't seem it would take to much more to approach 458 Win power levels. Just thoughts. Rodney.

I'm interested in a lightweight lever carbine with an authintic look that could fire a lengthened 500 S&W as well as the original. There is a cartridge availlable in true .500 called the 500 Cyrus which I was blessed with the opportunity to fire at various targets with at the Houston shoot and hoot last spring. I liked the potential of the bore as for sharing bullets with in my S&W. www.crossoutdoors.com Rodney.

There is more than the Cyrus out there. I have 4 (Four) different TRUE .500 diameter cartridges. 50 B&M Super Short--Win M70 WSSM action 16 inch barrels-light little bolt gun about 6 lbs---50 B&M Long Winchester M70 WSM action 18 inch barrels--I took 2 elephant and 5 cape buffalo in November with this--the 50 B&M Alaskan we have been talking about--then a 500 MDM Ultra Full length Winchester with 21 inch barrel, full length ultra case. I have been hunting and using these rifles since 2005. 500 caliber has lot's of options to work with, I have put some of these in Win M1885 single shots--lever guns-bolt guns you name it!
Michael

What I really want is a stretched .500 S&W like the .500 California Super. It is just a .500 S&W but it's case is 2.1" long. I would use both cartridges in my BFR. All I would need to do is ream the cyllinder chambers .50" deeper and it would be done. Then, maybe later, I'd see about converting a levergun to chamber it. My main interest in this cartridge is for the BFR though. This topic was started in the handgun hunter's forum first........I believe????

I was asking about a long .500 for BFR users......SAFARIKID found a possible ammo/brass producer and gunsmith and asked on a few forums if anyone else would want to chip in some cash to get it started.......and I pretty much just followed him over to the levergun forum hoping to spark some interest in it! PHEWWW.........!

Right now it seems like the best idea is either to just go with the .50 AK or the .50 AK based .500 Martin or the other true .500 (forgot name)......or just wait until someone legitimizes one of these wildcats or creates and mass produces something new. As popular as big bores are right now, it won't be too long!

Oh Yeah, THE .50 B&M ALASKAN! that's the one I couldn't remember. That sounds like the best bet for my BFR!

All I would need is another cyllinder. I could buy and rechamber a .45-70 Marlin XLR to an 18.5" with a full length tube and I'd have two rompin' stompin' monster mashers that shoot the same cartridge! If I want to shoot .500 S&W out of the BFR, all I have to do is change out the cyllinders! If I can't do the .500 Ca. Super thing, this seems like the best option.

Who should I contact to learn more about the .50 B&M Alaskan?

srshooter
I can give you details about the cartridge 50 B&M Alaskan---michael458@earthlink.net----I developed it, SSK Industries has the reamers and dies are available from both RCBS and Hornady. As stated I have 3 M71 Brownings and a Marlin Guide gun chambered in it, JD has done several Encores for folks. One of the 71s will be going to Russia in January for brown bear. In the 18 inch M71s it is capable of 500 gr bullets at 2000 fps.
Michael