PC
You need to tell Geoff that Barnes already make a 450grn and there are a lot of people in Aust that refuse to deal with Toys for Big Boys(they are the Barnes agent in Australia)

Martin,

Bob De'Vries of Kudu Services in Melbourne is doing my 50-110....he has a long lead time, he is probably the premier gun smith in Australia.

At the moment he is building me a .404 Jeffrey on a 1909 DWM M98 and that is fairly advanced, then after that there is a few other clients in line before he begins my 50-110

Your right about bullet swaging, it is something I may have to look into....there is also a maker of hardcast 525 gr lead bullets he charges $50 per 100 I think, there an impressive looking bullet for a hard cast, just I am so used to jacketed bullets for hunting, as we get closer I may purchase some 500 gr hollow points off you at any rate, I would order a thinner jacket so as to get good expansion on grassy's and pigs.

Folks recently I emailed Geoff at wooldiegh bullets with a request for a 50-110 bullet it went something like this;

Dear Sir/Madam,

My friend and I and possible a third friend are all having built, 50-110 express rifles on Winchester 1886 lever guns.

We imported the replica 1886 45/70's and now have them at our respective smiths for change over.

In America there is a heap of bullets other than bonded available as it is a classic Yankee calibre...being an original 1886 chambering. There not In Australia due to limited market and shipping costs.

I see firstly opportunity's for your business here in Australia to add a 525 gr Flat Point Bullet (suitable for tube mags) with a length from nose to cannelure of no more than .400" as the 50-110 OAL is either 2.80" or 2.88" the correct figure escapes me at the moment.

Secondly in the US there is only un-bonded 50-110 bullets available along with various hard cast offerings.

If woodleigh where to begin offering a;

525 gr Flat Nose 50-110 (.510 cal) lever gun bullet with correct cannelure and OAL requirements as a permanent addition to there line up, how many would my friends and I need to order from you to warrant a special run ??

I honestly believe that there is a market in the US for this bullet and would be another good addition to you your line up for your business going forward, and it would be the same design as your 405 gr 45/70 bullet only .510 cal and weight of 525 gr.

Kind Regards

Paul Carter.

Geoffs response is as below.

"We are interested in your proposal. We will enquire about sales potential in USA in January.
It is very costly to put a new bullet into production and inventory if it does not sell well.
I don't see any listings of 525gr bullets for the Win 50/110.
Would 400gr be satisfactory?"

Regards,
.Geoff McDonald.
WOODLEIGH BULLETS

There could be some hope for a 50-110 bullet from woodleigh !!

Hey.!! mate mine are all bonded



Gezzzz guy did i do somthing to you. that letter will kill my market

Martin apologies I was unaware that your bullets where bonded.

I must confess some self interest that I want a 50-110 bullet availbe here nin Australia without the shipping costs.

I do not feel it will impinge on your market as you have the ability to customise to your customers specs.....the woodleigh offereing will be a set style and a single offering, same as there 1 45/70 offering the 405 gr 45/70 400 gr bullet.

I hope I have not offended you Martin, aplogies if I have.

PC,
I have been removing the exposed tip of the 535 grain Woodleigh for use in a .50 Alaskan lever action for about a year. Woodleigh could easily get to 525 grains by just taking the 535 and wiping off the lead at the tip of a jacket using a flat nose design.

buckeyeshooter

why not just buy mine i can make a 525 grain bonded bullet
there flat nosed and there cheaper then woodliegh's
in cost thay have a 0.030 jacket on them...

Buckeye, what's your 50Ak built on?

Pottsy's bullets are awesome and very accurate for the few I've shot so far from my 50Ak. Just need to get some hair in front of them now.

Martin,

I would buy from you mate but shipping will be the killer I bet !!

I have purchased a cannelure cutter from ch4 to experiment with placement of cannelures....at the same token my rifle is probably a year away I reckon.

PC who's doing your 1886 up into a 50-110

Ya i guess shipping would be kinda high..
Some time back i bought a LUCAS 927 portable sawmill
From down under and i needed some extar part's for it and had to get them from there yik'sss.

Mate you really need to be looking into swaging your own bullet's ...other wise the cost is going to put kind of a damper on that- sunday just for fun shoot- every week

Press 200.00 die's 340.00 jacket's 14 cent's to make 525 grain bullet's each lead 28.00 pre small roll

One box of woodliegh's 50 cal .510 diam bullet's around
= 50.00 buck's ..bullet's custom made by you = Priceless




Pottsy

Hi,I would like to get more info on Martins 50/110 Bonded bullets for my Winchester 1886 conversion(where to purchase?) Thanks

Al, my 50 alaskan is built on a 1895 cowboy marlin

Gentleman

Hawk bullets makes a 450gr .510" .035" jacket flat nose bullet, as well as one with a .025" jacket. In round nose configuration they go up to 600grs for a .510" bullet.

For a cartridge like the 50-110 i would imagine that a bonded bullet is not necessary, but i could be wrong. If there was a way to consistently grind off the nose of that 600gr bullet, possibly cutting it down to 550grs that would be an awesome combination.

Geoff McDonald has done a run of 500 gr 50/110 bullets of which I have fired a few...............cannelure is in the right place for the 50-110 bullet to feed fromlever guns and geoff made it so it would work in 50 AK rifles as well.

I have recovered one 50-110 bullet which went through around a foot and a half of meat and struck some heavy spine and hip bones as well, mush room was pefect and it retained practically all of it's weight.

I have not taken a photo of it yet but I can.

Paul, send me a couple of pics of those bullets.

Next time you talk to Goeff, ask him if they are going to send any to the states here.

thanks.

Well thats good news,thanks..I will check them out.A pic of that recoverd bullet would be sweet!What is approx expanded diamater?Thanks

Folks I will organise some pics tonight after work and post under a new thread on the lever guns forum.

PC.

Oh yes I orginally wrote to Geoff saying there would be a market in the states due to there bein ga lot of 450 gr jacketed .50 cal lever gun bullets but few 500 gr varients.

I suggest all you yankee blokes bring up the woodleigh website and start sending a few e-mails to the tune of "when will those .500 gr lever gun .510" bullets getting to the states"

Just sent an email. I'd definitely like to try'em in my 50AK. I've got a few 500gn kodiaks but otherwise shoot HC. I use woodleighs in a few other calibers and think they're first class.

BTW I chronyed some buffalo bore factory 525s I just picked up from my 6.6lb marlin this afternoon. 1866fps from 16.5"!!! Yiks, I load'em to 1700 and thought that was pushing it.

Bob

I still have not forgot the pics of that expanded bullet folks........have been busy.