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No-holdover range of Hornady 325-grain FTXs
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Those of you who shoot, or have shot, Hornady's 325-grain 45-70 Marlin LeverEvolution ammunition or higher end reloads with this bullet, please describe its mid-range trajectory or its no-holdover range - that is, ± 4 inches vertically from point of aim - at [fill in the blank] yards.

I ask, having invested a substantial amount of money for Savage Model 99s and beaucoup spare parts to create elk lever actions capable of doing the job at 225 yards, I realized that I may be able to achieve the effective range I want, for elk and mule deer hunting, with my Marlins. This frees up a huge number of dollars for me.

What I'm trying to do is work around needing/wanting a different rifle-cartridge combination. Were the 1895s unable to meet my eastern Montana range stipulation, I'll stay with Savage M99s. They are wonderful machines. But they require [their] purchase (done), parts purchase (done), new dies, different powder, Nosler Partition flat base bullets, bullet mold (for practice and fun shooting), brass. When I do the math, the cost of having 99s is severe - especially when compared with the cost of a few hundred bullets. . . . I can always get at least my investment out of my 99 stuff.
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I have downloaded Hornady's 45-70 and 450 Marlin 325-grain FTX handloading data (and LeverEvolution factory data) for Marlin 1985s. It shows 450 Marlin bullet being propelled significantly faster than the same bullet from a comparable 45-70. On its face, this makes little sense to me.

Anyone who has safely loaded his 45-70 FTXs to emulate 450 Marlin exterior ballistics, please identify loads that do the job.
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As I write, my 1895s shoot only my LFN GC 420-425 grain cast bullets, using standard primers and IMR 3031 and H322 in Starline brass. These combine to several combinations that have a ± 4-inch range of 150 yards. This is fine for Lolo but insufficient for eastern Montana.


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Not really sure of the question you are asking but this data may help you...

a 45-70 is likely to push that bullet in the range of 1700 fps and a 450 marlin at 2200 fps based on the hornady website.

So taking the end points and the mid point of that range of velocities you get the following trajectories. The info below assumes a scope mounted 1.4 inches above the bore

1700 fps MV +4 @ 80, 0 @ 154, -4 @ 181
1950 fps MV +4 @ 97, 0 @ 172, -4 @ 203
2200 fps MV +4 @ 117, 0 @ 194, -4 @ 227


Hope that helps...


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Look at 350 grain Hornady data for a 45-70 on the Hodgdon website...you can get substantial velocity with H4198, well over 2000 fps.

I would extrapolate data from the 300 and 350 grain bullets.


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