Talk about all the .22, some day .22 will be a think of the past the way .22 ammo supplies are right now your are limited to 1,or 2 50 rounds boxes ...... Crazy

Haven't had that problem. A very little patience is all you need. I buy my Rimfire ammo from Dan Killough at Killough Shooting sports. His website will show out of stock, but I order and Dan puts me on the list. No limits. I usually get a brick or 2 at a time. I've waited from 2 weeks to 6 weeks but that's not a big deal. His prices are reasonable and I buy some along. If you wait in line at Cabelas or Wall Mart for limited quantities, you are wasting your time. I have about 30 bricks on hand.

It's the oldest economic trick in the would. Restrict the supply of something till the price goes up substantually and THEN return the supply. The panic buying has made this a huge success.

Ya reckon?

The 22 rim fire ammo shortage has been, at least in part, a function of all the rimfire guns sold in the last four years. There are 50% more consumers of the rimfire ammo than ever before and the industry was not ready for the increased demand. There are those who buy what they can and resell it for twice and three times what they paid but the local stores do get small amounts in and because of the panic it is gone in a short time. There is slightly more ammo being produced and marketed but the current demand exceeds supply by a wide margin. The same is true with reloading components which is why Sierra, for one, is investing in new machines to supply the demand. They are convinced that this demand will not "dry up" in the foreseeable future and that production is going to have to increase to feed the new gun owner population. I have not heard yet whether the ammunition manufacturers of ammunition are investing in more machinery to increase the supply but that is what it will take to bring supply up to the same level as demand. I had extra rimfire stored and have not yet been affected even though I use 22 rimfire in competition but if the shortage of supply continues I may be forced to buy from places that I would rather not.

This is not a fabricated shortage. Any one of the many manufacturers would be happy to be able to make more ammo and sell it to add to their bottom line but there is a huge demand that is likely to continue even without the panic buying that is still going on after two or more years of this.

Yes I’ve heard the official version. The US manufacturers are supposedly manufacturing "around the clock". If you combine US production capacity with manufactures in other countries that export .22 ammo, they should be able to bury us in .22 shells, yet there isn't any anywhere. It just doesn't add up.

kaboom,
When you visited these manufacturers, were they working hard or sitting around. Now the real story is you are repeating heresy that you heard at your shooting range.

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Originally posted by kaboom:
Yes I’ve heard the official version. The US manufacturers are supposedly manufacturing "around the clock". If you combine US production capacity with manufactures in other countries that export .22 ammo, they should be able to bury us in .22 shells, yet there isn't any anywhere. It just doesn't add up.

It all adds up to me. A lot of shooters got caught with their pants down with a limited amount of .22 ammo. Then all hell broke loose when that tragedy at Sandy Hook occurred. Once shooters could not find the ammo they needed they went into a panic and bought everything they could find. Some people went the other route and bought what they could only to resell and make a profit. Basic economy 101 buy low and sell high. After reading these type of threads for the past year seems there are two type of shooters. Those who were smart enough to have a good supply at home and those who didn't who now call everyone who is reselling ammo a "gouger". If that doesn't work they claim it is a conspiracy of some sort. Seems simple to me the people who didn't have a good supply are pissed they didn't stock up when they could. I could of bought Ford at $2 a share and gold at $200 an ounce. I didn't and I don't whine people reselling the stock or gold at higher prices are "gougers".

If you can't find ammo blame it on the following:
1. Shooters who failed to stock up before are buying all they can so they wont feel like a dumbass or cheap skate the next time around.

2. Shooters who had a good stock before but now re evaluated how much they really should have and buying everything they can find at a reasonable price.

Is it getting better? Yes, slowly but surely. My best guess is you will be able to walk into your LGS and see it on the shelf in less than a year. Primers, powders, bullets, and ammo. In this hobby you better be prepared because you never know what nut will throw a wrench into the supply chain at any given time. Some of the people I feel sorry for at the local mom and pop stores. There supply of ammo coming in has been cut down by at least 75%. They have less to sell so they raise the price so they can stay in business. Give them a break. They are not gouging, they are surviving.

Our shooting hobbies can change with every politician elected into office. Be prepared or suffer the consequences. I'll stop my mindless rambling now

Obama is buying it all up and sending it to Africa so they can train more terrorists to invade us.

Now let's get serious, IF the panic button pushers were all NRA members (NOT) they would have been able to read several detailed explanations of what is going on. It called supply and demand and it's just as bad in Europe as here.

It's the same morons who created the gasoline terror by topping up their cars everyday while burning more fuel sitting in line than their tank was down when they arrived at the station.

Saw an 80 year old guy on another site who was bragging that he had bought 50,000 large rifle primers.

It's calling panic buying and hoarding. Have to go now and fire up the back hoe so I can finish digging my doomsday prepper shelter.

"Stupid is as stupid does."

I ordered a brick of Eley Edge a little before Christmas, waited about 2-3 weeks to get it.

A couple weeks ago I read some where(can't recall where)an explanation for the 22 rimfire ammo shortage.
US annual production of 22's is about 4.2 billion rounds
That is 11.5 million rounds a day(7 days/week).
Or 23000 bricks(500 rounds)per day.
80 million gun owners in US.
If .03% (not 3%,but .0003)of the gun owners decide today to buy one brick of 22's that is 24000 bricks. 1000 more than was produced.
If .5% (.005) of gun owners decide to buy Two bricks today, that is almost 35 days production. That is FIVE weeks production consumed(purchased) in one day by one half of one percent of US gun owners.
Now throw in panic buying, hoarding, and profiteering. It's a wounder we have any ammo to buy yet.
Some times we are our own worst enemy.

Do the math, it works.

muck

Dead on ! Have an old friend who believes all events in human history can be explained by greed and/or stupidity. This is a perfect fit.

The good news is existing ammo companies are expanding production and even brand new companies are emerging.

In the meantime, buy a high powered air rifle and a bow & arrow. You'll learn a lot more about making every shot count and real hunting than ripping a brick of 22 RFs at tin cans.

If we 22 ammo consumers wait for the ammo companies greed to come up to speed we will have 22 ammo a plenty.
I'm curious as to why Russia and the former Soviet Bloc has not done their best to bury the US in 22 ammo.

Jim

Get your head out, you have not a clue!

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Originally posted by metalbeater:
Dead on ! Have an old friend who believes all events in human history can be explained by greed and/or stupidity. This is a perfect fit.

The good news is existing ammo companies are expanding production and even brand new companies are emerging.

In the meantime, buy a high powered air rifle and a bow & arrow. You'll learn a lot more about making every shot count and real hunting than ripping a brick of 22 RFs at tin cans.

The ammo companies will be working red hot for awhile, I should have bought stock in them. Kinda makes me want to get into air guns too, I must admid.

There is .22 ammo out there, you just need to know where to look. And always be prepared!!

The "shortage" will continue as long as idiots are willing to pay 2 or 3x the normal price from rip off agents.
The doomsday prepper goofs have caused a bunch of demand by people who'll never shoot the stuff.
There'll be a surplus of it at some point. Just like AR's and 30 round magazine prices were through the room a bit ago and now both can be had pretty reasonably.

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Originally posted by BigNate:
The "shortage" will continue as long as idiots are willing to pay 2 or 3x the normal price from rip off agents.
The doomsday prepper goofs have caused a bunch of demand by people who'll never shoot the stuff.
There'll be a surplus of it at some point. Just like AR's and 30 round magazine prices were through the room a bit ago and now both can be had pretty reasonably.

A quick search online shows some people are still fueling the fire... http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=387233185 $75+ for a brick of Remington ammo, good grief.

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Originally posted by Evan K.:
A quick search online shows some people are still fueling the fire... http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=387233185 $75+ for a brick of Remington ammo, good grief.

On last Saturday I went to a gun show in town to get a few things that I wanted. I found a lot of 22 RF ammo all for 10 -12 cents per round. The day before I had purchased some 22RF ammo for $19 a brick or 3.8 cents per round. They are not always available yet but you can still get it at reasonable prices. These "profit hunters" will be left with all their ammo due to the prices they have set on their ammo unless people continue to buy from them.

Just received my newest American Rifleman. It has a good article on the ammo shortage. The way that I read the article is our government has bought very little more ammo if any more than in 2009-2012. It did say that 5.5 million women has recently been added to the shooting sports. That can account for several million rounds if they only bought a box of ammo each.
A good article.

I visited a high-end rifle shop in Maryland this week, they had ammunition for 404 Jeffery, 416 Rigby, and others. No 22 RF...

If some antipreneur wanted to get into the ammo buisness, they would never have a better entry point than now.

kaboom, you have not a clue. There are much better ways to make money than ammo. Remington is spending $32,000,000. to expand production at their ammo plant in Lonoke, Arkansas this year.

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Originally posted by kaboom:
If some antipreneur whated to get into the ammo buisness, they would never have a better entry point than now.

I agree with Butch, I'd bet money the folks at ATK, Remington, Winchester, etc. are already working overtime to stock shelves and will be for awhile. Even if they are running at 100% they have a whole lot of work to catch up on. Rimfire ammo is also the last stuff I'd want to make, way too many quality control issues at stake.

I stopped by a local gun shop last week and they were fresh out of .22 ammo. Previously they had a good supply of CCI stuff, I was a little surprised to see the change. Obama ain't buying it, there is no ammo manufacturer's conspiracy, check out the American Rifleman article on the subject.

I've read the press releases about the expantion at Remington's Lonoke plant but saw nothing about what was going to be made there. Does anyone know for sure if it's rimfire, centerfire or goverment contracts?

I like the new word...antipreneur.....isn't that a synonym for Dems and government in general?

I had decided to try to overlook that Charlie, but it is funny.

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Rimfire ammo is also the last stuff I'd want to make, way too many quality control issues at stake.

Actually you need to think about a little while.
22 RF ammo is one of the oldest continually manufactured high volume products in this country. That means the manufacturing processes are some of the most highly developed. Quality control is not even used when talking about something like ammo. It is called process control. Rather you control the processes to a very high degree and you know the product will be good.

That is true, but it still seems there's simply more variables at play in rimfire than centerfire ammo. I wanna hit what I'm aiming at and it may be a small target, not just have the gun go bang. Why doesn't the most expensive rimfire ammo from Eley, Lapua, and RWS always perform more consistently than cheaper ammo? Why do competitors still have to do extensive lot # testing with their rifles? Even though they've been manufacturing and refining it for so long we still have those issues.

It just sounds like a pain in the ass to manufacture rimfire compared to centerfire if we want really good results.

I just learned last week a co-worker of mine's wife works at ATK here in the Twin Cities. She used to work on the .22lr lines and is now on less-than-lethal ammo. He said they've been running as hard as they can since December 2012. No rimfire ammo on shelves at my local gun shop this past week too. There's still people selling bulk ammo at inflated prices on auction websites. I don't think the fun is over yet.

Ammo is out there and just takes a little research to find.
In the last three days I received notification that Champion had received more target amm, limit of 1 5,000 round case per person. Then Bass Pro shops sent an email around saying they had CCI 22 LR. No limit to how much you could buy. I watched their web site and it seemed to last about 90 minutes before they sold out. Finally Midway notified me they had CCI 22 mag ammo in stock but it sold out before I bought any.
Its out there, just look for it.

I've been looking everywhere for some CCI .22lr - Quiet ammo and cannot find anything, locally or online! If anyone knows a source or is willing to sell some please PM me! I'm still going to continue searching but that stuff seems almost non-existent. I'd settle for anything under 800fps.

yesterday cabelas in owatonna mn had a doorbuster sale that had 1000rd pks of 22's on sale for$44. doors opened at 8 am,must have been 500 people lined up to get some. they passed out tickets to the 1st people in line to be able to buy. i don't think they had 150 tickets,no ticket,no ammo. 1st ammo was ww m-22 when they ran out of that it was blazer

I've been looking and have gotten lucky the last two places I have gone. The first store just happen to get a shipment in late the day before. The second was this past weekend in Amish Country of Pa. This store only had a small outdoor/ hunting section but, had the largest number of .22 ammo available I've seen in a long time. There was a minimum of 6 if not 8 different make, model and brands of ammo on the shelf. Still only 3 boxes per customer but, I was impressed.