awhile ago I said I couldn't see much use in the 17 h2 as long as you have a 17 hrm. so I traded off a 10/22 on a t/c 17 h2. Now i see the use for one. its kinda like having a 10/22 on steroids. a flock of blackbirds in the trees in my woods a full clip and the fun has begun. feathers all over hell. and if that isn't enuf, when i bought the t/c there was this cz 17 hrm on the guys rack. this thing had one of the nicest pieces of wood on it that i've seen on a factory gun in years. well, being a sucker for nice wood, the cz now has a spot next to the t/c.oh well the 17hrm lowall needed company anyway