Bought it and picked it up today.I kind of missed the range but not the recoil so I thought of a solution.This will allow me to practice offhand and just get away. [URL=]1[/URL] [URL=]2[/URL] [URL=]3[/URL] I am looking forward to learning about this rifle.I here this is a good choice.Any suggestions concerning choice of ammunition? Is it pretty or what? It looks like an express rifle for African game or a classic Mauser.It is no doubt set up for open sight offhand shooting.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Since you are an offhand shooter using open sights, it would seem to be a function of the size of your target and the range at which you shoot. If your ammo is capable of hitting the target most of the time, what more do you need? Minute-of-beer can accuracy ought to be enough. The next factor is probably ammo availability.
Each rimfire rifle is very much a law unto itself in terms of the ammunition it likes or dislikes. Some rifles are fussy, others are not. Make & model may or may not have anything to do with it. The only way to learn about your rifle is to experiment with the stuff that is most available and slowly work your way into the more exotic types.
Yesterday, I won a moderately difficult match by 30 points only because I used Lapua Midas+. But I do almost all of my practice with Wolf or SK. There will be a couple of flyers per box, but after a bit, you know which is the ammo and which is the shooter.
Posts: 111 | Location: Humboldt County, California | Registered: 03 December 2008
If I can get tennis ball size accuracy from rest at 100yds then that will be fine.From my brief conversation with the sales rep. at the shop I was told to go with standard vel. ammo in a bolt.I got two type-one CCI and the other Lapua.I will slowly experiment and try to find the cheapest with good accuracy.I wonder how often and what would be the best way to go about cleaning the bore.I want to stay away from cleaning rods as much as possible-not to damage the rifling.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Did you receive any factory instruction paper or booklet with the rifle? If, so, follow the initial cleaning recommendations. CZ may have put some sort of preservative coating in the bore. Almost always, that stuff can be removed with a patch wet with powder solvent, followed by dry patches. Follow that with a patch with light oil. Be sure to do something like that before shooting. My personal choice is to use a carbon fibre rod, with a brass jag and cotton flannel patches. Others will have different choices.
With open sights, a tennis-ball sized group at 100 yards is setting the bar quite high, even shooting from rest & sandbags. The goal is not impossible, but difficult, especially with a new (& new to you) sporting rifle that is not a purpose-made target rifle.
Look at all the many, many targets Saeed has posted on this forum, all fired in his tunnel by an experienced bench rest shooter using an excellent specialist target rifle and excellent telescopic sights. Note the different results in targets fired at 50, 75 & 100 yards.
Were that my rifle, I would start from rest with the targets at 25 yards, using targets designed for 50 yards. I might only fire 25 or 30 shells, but I would then have some idea of how the rifle, sights and my eyes are cooperating.
After that, I would extend the range to 50 yards, but use targets intended for 100 yards. When I got good results on the 100 yard targets (at 50 yards), I would switch to targets intended for 50 yards. I would plan on shooting at least 100 rounds of each type before switching to another type. I would also run a single clean dry cloth patch down the barrel between types.
Only after all that would I switch to the 100 yard range.
Posts: 111 | Location: Humboldt County, California | Registered: 03 December 2008
With open sights, a tennis-ball sized group at 100 yards is setting the bar quite high, even shooting from rest & sandbags. The goal is not impossible, but difficult, especially with a new (& new to you) sporting rifle that is not a purpose-made target rifle.
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Not really doable with any of my target rifles of a benchrest....... Oh sure occasionally it'll happen but not predictably....
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Posts: 42538 | Location: Crosby and Barksdale, Texas | Registered: 18 September 2006
50 yrd group open sights off the bench with Lapua. [URL=]50ys[/URL] The rifle was shooting to the right and grouping about the size of a large orange from the bench at 100yd with open sights.I decided to leave the sights alone and shot offhand at 100yds. [URL=]100yds[/URL]
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
See how it is dead on center at 50 and off to the right at 100yds.This is why 100yds instead of 50 should be used for sighting in open sights.That way you will be dead on at 50 and 25yds.That is another topic however.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Have to love the CZs, especially if you can clean up the trigger. Years back I came in second in a 200-yard rimfire match with one of these, scoped, in the heavy barrel configuration, shooting Federal Gold Medal match ammo. The winner was shooting a Winchester Model 52. I am not much of a shot, so I was thrilled.
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Posts: 16700 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000
Originally posted by Bill/Oregon: Have to love the CZs, especially if you can clean up the trigger. Years back I came in second in a 200-yard rimfire match with one of these, scoped, in the heavy barrel configuration, shooting Federal Gold Medal match ammo. The winner was shooting a Winchester Model 52. I am not much of a shot, so I was thrilled.
Where you shooting one with an original barrel or was that a match barrel.I cant see mine shooting out to 200yds with any accuracy.I might try Fed Gold match.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Just received a cleaning rod and brush.After passing the brush,I got a patch showing a little brown.It could be it had a little rust in the bore.I will see if that did it any good.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
A piece of advice regarding the CZ .22 barrels. The bore diameters run very tight, much tighter than you might expect. My CZ 452 will not accept a .213 inch pin gauge at the muzzle. Depending on your cleaning rod, it may be too large to freely enter and move in the bore. Jamming it in would damage the bore. I bought a Dewey .20,caliber rod which fits and works ok. Or, just use a piece of braided 30 lb fishing line tied in a loop with a weight in the end as a pull through. I haven't found that my barrel needs to be brushed. Solvent and a patch gets it clean enough.
A good job is sometimes just a series of expertly fixed fark-ups. Let's see.... is it 20 years experience or is it 1 years experience 20 times? And I will have you know that I am not an old fart. I am a curmudgeon. A curmudgeon is an old fart with an extensive vocabulary and a really bad attitude.
Posts: 324 | Location: Too far north and 50 years too late | Registered: 02 February 2015
Originally posted by shootaway: I shot this target today offhand at 100yds open sights.I corrected the windage to the left prior to shooting. [URL=]100yds[/URL]
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Off the bench group was smaller this time around.The group was about 3 inches at 100yds.I still get some rust out of the bore when I pass a brush.It seems the rifle was not cared for when it was stored in the gun store.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Shootaway, the rifle I shot at 200 was right out of the box. I was using a fairly inexpensive scope -- a 4-12X AO Bushnell Banner. The rifle was the CZ Varmint: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-4...mint-22-lr-5-rd-mag/
There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author
Posts: 16700 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000
Nice looking rifle Bill.I received a bore guide along with a new jag today.I am going to use a little JB in the bore and see what happens.I will try the CCI ammo that did not shoot well the first time out again.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
I shot it after using the JB and it shot tighter than ever-at least at 50yds.It seems that the rifle needs 5 or 6 rds before drying the bore of its oil.It then shoots really tight.I would have tried it at 100yds also but had issues with my other rifle-my 500NE-to much oil in the bore and it needed more than the 3 rds I brought along before both barrels would shoot to their normal POI.So I did not have time to try the 22LR at 100yds.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Don't oil the bore on your .22 The wax coating on the bullets protect the bore and when you clean this wax coating you have to go through a few, sometimes quite a few rounds before the barrel will truly settle down.
I rarely ever clean the bores on my .22s. I brush the chambers and mop to get rid of the wax build up. But cleaning the barrels on .22s is rarely ever needed, maybe run a dry patch down the bore to push out unburned powder.
When you clean the wax out of the bore you will need to "season" the bore again....kinda like a cast iron skillet.
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Posts: 42538 | Location: Crosby and Barksdale, Texas | Registered: 18 September 2006
Originally posted by JTEX: Don't oil the bore on your .22 The wax coating on the bullets protect the bore and when you clean this wax coating you have to go through a few, sometimes quite a few rounds before the barrel will truly settle down.
I rarely ever clean the bores on my .22s. I brush the chambers and mop to get rid of the wax build up. But cleaning the barrels on .22s is rarely ever needed, maybe run a dry patch down the bore to push out unburned powder.
When you clean the wax out of the bore you will need to "season" the bore again....kinda like a cast iron skillet.
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I will see next time out when I fire my initial shots without any oil in the bore-not even the mineral oil in JB or that found in solvent-if what you are saying holds true.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Shootaway is not the only one puzzled by the recent posts.
Serious rifle shooters have been discussing and investigating the effects of fouling shots on accuracy since the introduction of effective non-corrosive priming and smokeless powder target ammunition back in the 1920s.
The collective experience of any number of target shooters (competitive or experimental) is that it takes one shot per inch (or 25 to 30 mm) of barrel length to distribute bullet lube through barrel before a rifle really settles down and shoots accurately. Most competitive rimfire shooters do not clean their rifles from the start of a shooting season until the end.
That is usually demonstrated from the bench, using a heavy barreled target rifle and a scope specifically made for target shooting.
But Shootaway's barrel was rusted before he got the rifle. Permanently defeating the rust is more important than "seasoning" of the barrel with lube. If it were my rifle, the regimen would be cleaning at the end of each shooting session, keeping a film of oil on the inner surface of the barrel and cleaning again before the next shooting session.
Posts: 111 | Location: Humboldt County, California | Registered: 03 December 2008
According to the forum on RimfireCentral, CZ .22LR barrels are supposedly frequently coated with a brown preservative when new. It took me quite a bit of scrubbing to remove it when I first got mine. The rifle now shoots very well with rare cleaning. For casual plinking, it seems to tolerate multiple brands of ammo for reasonable accuracy. I am sure you will enjoy your new 452.
I been out a couple of more times with the rifle.It shoots perfect from the first shot on with the waxy Lapua bullets and no foulers needed.I am applying the new trick I learned and from now on all my rds will shoot to the same spot with no foulers on any of my rifles.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
I tried some Winchester super X match,40gr T22 lead ammunition yesterday with great results.They cost $20 dollars cheaper per 500 than the Lapua I was using,shoot just as good and I don't have to deal with the lubricating wax.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
With my CZ 452 I started by buying one box of just about every .22lr ammo I could find. It wasn't the most expensive that shot the best. Of course I couldn't find any Ely Tenex so maybe that would shoot best. At present I'm using RWS Match and it works well, but it's not record setting stuff in my rifle. I never measure my groups, but from a rest I can put 5 shots well under an inch no problem at 50 yards. Rifle is stock, I should change the trigger if I want to get smaller groups.
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Posts: 7046 | Location: Rambouillet, France | Registered: 25 June 2004
I put the Rifle Basix trigger on my CZ452, and I now shoot it better. You can get a scary light trigger pull with this trigger. I installed it myself, requiring a little filing of wood and metal since the trigger is a little wider than the stock trigger. I like it.
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Posts: 7046 | Location: Rambouillet, France | Registered: 25 June 2004
Wink,I somewhat enjoy the challenge of a somewhat stiff and with a little slack trigger on a open sight,offhand practice rifle.It is good to know however that a Rifle Basix is good.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
I ordered a CZ 452 Ultra Lux yesterday.It is the one with the 28 inch barrel and Beechwood stock.Lilja puts the barrel life of a 22lr at 5000 to 7000rds.I like my first CZ 452 so much that I bought another one.I should get plenty of offhand practise with these two rifles.The main reason for going with the 22lr instead of my 308 is to do away with the recoil.
Posts: 11651 | Location: Montreal | Registered: 07 November 2002
Originally posted by shootaway: I ordered a CZ 452 Ultra Lux yesterday.It is the one with the 28 inch barrel and Beechwood stock.Lilja puts the barrel life of a 22lr at 5000 to 7000rds.I like my first CZ 452 so much that I bought another one.I should get plenty of offhand practise with these two rifles.The main reason for going with the 22lr instead of my 308 is to do away with the recoil.
You might want to consider setting one up as a "field" rifle and one as a "range" rifle with a light trigger pull. I would put a Leupold 2-7X rimfire version scope on the field rifle (parallax at 75 yards) and a high magnification scope on the range rifle. Put the Rifle Basix trigger on the range rifle.
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