Who buys .22 HP shorts?

I don't get it! These things are still made. I'm trying to figure out what niche they fill.

They are awfully quiet. I suppose if i wanted to shoot magpies in the back yard in the city I might do something like that. Not that I would of course

the chef

Exactly, calgary! They are quiet!
Peter.

Coon hunters that sell the pelts.

I am forced to by state trapping laws to use shorts to dispatch trapped animals. Getting hard to find lately.

The old Beretta (Jetfire?) semiauto pistol was chambered for .25acp and .22 Short. The HP might better for solving "social problems".

And if memory serves, there was a barrel/supressor kit available for those social problems where you needed to be a bit more discrete.

perfect cat medicine at my house. When I need to be extra quiet it's agui super colibri's.

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Originally posted by Rick R:
The old Beretta (Jetfire?) semiauto pistol was chambered for .25acp and .22 Short. The HP might better for solving "social problems".

The rimfire version was called the Minx. Neat little gun and utterly reliable. The Beretta 950 Jetfire/Minx is about as small a pistol as person can hope to shoot deliberately. I once killed a ground squirrel with mine; only the center-punched gopher was more surprised than me. Never bothered with hollowpoints. Wish I hadn't sold mine.

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And if memory serves, there was a barrel/supressor kit available for those social problems where you needed to be a bit more discrete.

There was a third party replacement barrel threaded for a can and chambered for the long rifle cartridge for your first shot. Cost as much as the pistol IIRC. Made by the same outfit as ran afoul of the BATF for making muzzle adapters that made plastic soda bottles into one shot suppressors.

By law, in PA, I'm not allowed to dispatch a trapped coon or fox with a springer or airgun. The HP shorts are the best for dispatching trapped furbearers. CCI still makes 'em and Gander Mt. carries them.

Like Strut10, I use them (CCI CB shorts) on the trapline in a very old top break 22 revolver that is probably not safe to shoot, but I've used it since I was a kid. We use 22 short hp's for killing hogs when we butcher. They do not kill them, it only stuns them, then we bleed them out.
Don't use them any more for hunting, although my sister's old Winchester 22 has always been deadly on squirrels with Winchester high speed HP's, more accurate with them than LR ammo.
I didn't like them for groundhogs, because you usually had to put at least two rounds in them to kill them. LR's seemed to hit harder. Of course, that was a teen age farm boy evaluation. That same boy always thought the green Remington Express high brass hit harder than the blue hulled Peters high brass, so it's probably not worth much.
Bfly

Hey, Black Fly..........

I've got folks in Newville!! They live out the Bloserville road just a piece past the Connie. And also out the other way in Walnut Bottom. Also have left some cash in Shuman's gunshop at times.

Small world, eh??

Surely no one really believe they expand?

I buy as many as I have money for when I run across Remington Short High Velocity Hollow Points. Remington ceased production of this round many years ago. It was the favorite round of my grandfather and seems to shoot best in his-now mine Win 62A. I have tried many other brands of both short and long rifle and this gun likes the Remy HVHP short the best. A close second is Remy HVHP LR Golden Bullet. The CCI ain't worth squat in mine and I have tried a couple European brands and they just cost too much. This pump is pretty much a safe queen these days. I still buy as many as I can find.........GOT ANY FOR SALE?

Andy

My brother buys two box's of shorts a year for trapping.

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Originally posted by DaMan:
Who buys .22 HP shorts?

I don't get it! These things are still made. I'm trying to figure out what niche they fill.

It's what you use when you're tired of your rifle, and want to erode the chamber to aggravate the next owner.

Not really TomP! It's what you use when you have an original Winchester Model 1890 with Octagon barrel, nickel plated from the factory that is marked "22 SHORT ONLY"!! Albeit, the ammo manufacturers aren't going to have to designate 6 months production of a production line to fulfill the need!!GHD

They work well in a Winder musket.

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Originally posted by DaMan:
Who buys .22 HP shorts?

I don't get it! These things are still made. I'm trying to figure out what niche they fill.

Groundhog Devastation is right, there were rifles made that were chambered for shorts. A friend of mine has one, I'd forgotten about that.

Lots of 22 RF chanbers have been eroded in the middle with shorts and won't eject a fired 22 RF case when it's fired and bulges into the short erosion. I had a Stevens pistol sleeved to remedy that problem once.

These days I used CB Longs in place of 22 shorts.

I buy Winchester when I can. My Walther PP Sport with 6" barrel, chambered for .22 Kurz, gobbles them up. Shot a muskrat with it once.
I love the gun, very vintage James Bond look to it. I have made home-job silencers out of plastic soda pop bottles taking advantage of the nut that holds the front sight on.
I only have the one magazine for it. Anyone have one gathering dust?
I have never seen another example. There are other PP Sports out there, but I have never heard of another in .22 short.
Lou

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I buy as many as I have money for when I run across Remington Short High Velocity Hollow Points. Remington ceased production of this round many years ago.

Actually, I think the Rem HVHP Short is still in production. They had plenty of them when I went to Academy looking for some shorts for the classic Remington Model 24 SHORT ONLY I recently acquired. And the Academy store where I bought them hasn't been around that long, either.

I found CCI HVHP's at another source, and while they seem to perform similarly, they were somewhat more expensive.

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Originally posted by filmit:
perfect cat medicine at my house. When I need to be extra quiet it's agui super colibri's.

I've tried some .22 Colibri with the 20 grain bullet with no powder just the Eley primed. They bounced off a 2X4 when shot at about 5 feet out of a Ruger Single Six.

I wondered that the Colibri would give a squirrel or a bird a heart attack as the only means of killing it as the velocity look like less than a BB gun.

I haven't seen the Super Colibri. Is it loaded with powder??? What size is the bullet???

Hypothetical Situation:

A guy builds a nice retirement house overlooking a huge lake/wildlife preserve. At night raccoons come from the trees there and tip over his trash cans looking for scraps. Guy gets tired, buys a couple boxes of the HP shorts, and threads an inch of an old 22 he bought at a gun show. Screws an old muffler off of a lawnmower on it and a green dot laser. Hears the cans rattle at night, walks to the kitchen window and Phhht! another masked bandit bites the dust.

This entirely hypothetical, since doing something like that is illegal.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Hypothetical Situation:

A guy builds a nice retirement house overlooking a huge lake/wildlife preserve. At night raccoons come from the trees there and tip over his trash cans looking for scraps. Guy gets tired, buys a couple boxes of the HP shorts, and threads an inch of an old 22 he bought at a gun show. Screws an old muffler off of a lawnmower on it and a green dot laser. Hears the cans rattle at night, walks to the kitchen window and Phhht! another masked bandit bites the dust.

This entirely hypothetical, since doing something like that is illegal.

This is so true about those coons coming down from the trees at night. I watched a group of 6 come down from a series of real tall trees here in the city in a city park last summer. They would go through the park's garbage cans and eat all the scraps. They were huge and aggressive;made me wish I had my suppressed .22 rifle. But shooting it in the city park could have lead to a meeting with the local cops.

Which part is illegal? Surely not shooting a nuisance animal which happens to be standing exactly at the other end of an old lawn mower muffler through which your bullet must pass in order to reach the interloper?

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Which part is illegal? Surely not shooting a nuisance animal which happens to be standing exactly at the other end of an old lawn mower muffler through which your bullet must pass in order to reach the interloper?

Nothing, as long as the lawnmower muffler has a serial number, and the BATFE has signed off on your $200 tax stamp

Me and my sons use them for Squirrel hunting, starling and house sparrow plinking and blowing up water bottles in the back yard. Never cared for air guns to be honest. Kids use the Cricket rifles I use my old Winchester bolt action...
Give them a try

When I can find HPs, I buy them for this(I dont look that hard anymore lol). Solids for 'coup de gras' and HPs for rabbits, tho I dont think it makes much difference with rabbits. Squirrels too, but I dont hit as many as I shoot at.



It's fun!! and I love this gun!!
Leon

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Originally posted by LeonK:
When I can find HPs, I buy them for this(I dont look that hard anymore lol). Solids for 'coup de gras' and HPs for rabbits, tho I dont think it makes much difference with rabbits. Squirrels too, but I dont hit as many as I shoot at.



It's fun!! and I love this gun!!
Leon

Nice lookin' shooter!!!

Out of a long barrel single shot they are as quiet as a pellet gun.Handy for getting rid of unwanted cats under the porch in town

I buy the CB Shorts because they are quiet and I can fit more shorts in my tube magazine than longs. The CB Shorts will handle a rabbit or chuck within 50 yards, but my experience is that the bullet slows down too much beyond 50 yards to kill reliably.

Got an old .22 short Astra Cub many years ago. The pistol has spent a lot of time in a shirt pocket while hunting. Have used it for the coup de gras on big game and to shoot "pine" grouse for camp meals.
As far as the hollowpoint goes, I open the hole up with a little tool I bought years ago. They do expand, but not a lot.

Midgets

I buy them as I have two 22 short rifles and a HS Rapid Fire. I ran into an estate sale and bought four bricks for $10/brick so I am set for a while!! LOL

Greg