Hi!

I have an old M420 einslader Mauser .22LR rifle which shoots very accurate(so does its owner).

At the 100 meter targetrange here the other day, I had scopemouted the rifle with a zeiss conquest 6.5-20x50 to see how accurate this old gun could perform.

The ammo I had was RWS riflematch, which did "OK" with all shots within 2cm...but the guy next to me had some Eley Tenex I could try out, and here was the moment of truth. My first 3 shots touched eachother... . I was now affraid to fire the fouth shot, and it was a little of the other aprox 8mm but the fith shot was only a slight above the first 3.
I had to ask for another 5 , and they also showed much better accuracy than the RWS riflematch.
Getting blood on my teeth, I thought how this gun/ammo would/could perform at 200meters, but the scope can not be adjusted more than up to the 100meters(just barely)...where can I obtain a scopemount that I can elevate?
Has anyone else tried benchrest at 200 meters with .22LR??

Jens if you can't get a different mount , you can always turn the magnification down on the scope to allow for bullet drop ,in other words a wider field of view. Most match ammo is very slow therefore will drop a lot at 200 meters. I too have had excellent groups with Tennex from my Anschutz 1416 .best of luck

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Originally posted by Rug:
Jens if you can't get a different mount , you can always turn the magnification down on the scope to allow for bullet drop ,in other words a wider field of view. Most match ammo is very slow therefore will drop a lot at 200 meters. I too have had excellent groups with Tennex from my Anschutz 1416 .best of luck

Thanks Rug!!

Never thought of turning the magnification down... me stupid..

Well I don't know why I have to be negitive all the time but if I understood the problem correctly, Rug's suggestion won't work.

For unusually long range shooting, some mounts are made with a slope downwards at the front.
I had a gunsmith do the base of my bases on a lathe, and he got it spot on.

Otherwise, maybe if you have a "duplex" reticule you could use the top of the bottom post.

I hope you post your groups at 200m if you get any.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JAL:
Well I don't know why I have to be negitive all the time but if I understood the problem correctly, Rug's suggestion won't work.

For unusually long range shooting, some mounts are made with a slope downwards at the front.
I had a gunsmith do the base of my bases on a lathe, and he got it spot on.

Otherwise, maybe if you have a "duplex" reticule you could use the top of the bottom post.

I hope you post your groups at 200m if you get any.[/QUOTE

I`LL post for sure!!

I was hoping to come up with a scopemount that I could ajust at the rear, by that way it could slop forewards, and then finetune the rest with the turrests!!.

Sure I`LL get a group of some kind..

Jens,
If your scope tube is one inch you might be able to use a set of the Burris rings with the eccentric inserts. Maximum offset is .02" in each ring.

In the early 70s there were a couple of woman shooters shooting at my club range. This was a small sportman's club with only 3 benches.
One of the women was about 14 the other about 20. They were testing lots of Eley ammo in their match rifles. Both were shooting prone with metallic sights at 100 yards. Most 10 shot groups were about 1". I was knocked out by their ability to shoot prone with iron sights.
Later I saw them both in the American Rifleman.
The younger girl was Schuyler Helbing the older one was Sue Ann Sandusky!!!

Sandusky

Badges 184 and 213

You could also mount a target above the impact target and by holding on one hit the other.

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Originally posted by ireload2:
Jens,
If your scope tube is one inch you might be able to use a set of the Burris rings with the eccentric inserts. Maximum offset is .02" in each ring.

Cripes, I think you've talked me into trying to get mounts like that to fit my 77-22. While the others were still stuffing around last range day, I bore sighted mine and the (scope) was about 15" low and 3" left at 60 yards.

I have shims in the mounts and rings already, and to think I make a habit of running down
CZs for the same problem. Maybe I could shim, or have the Ruger barrel attachment re- mechined or something.

And sure, good eyes, target peeps, target type aiming marks, will give a scope a run for it's money.

JAL,
You might look quick for the Burris rings that fit your Ruger. I think I read they were discontinued.
Sounds like you have a crooked barrel or the barrel shank bore is crooked in the receiver.

I have had two centerfires bore sight 18 inches low at 100 yards. Both rifles did it with multiple scopes.

Yes,with good mechinary you'd wonder how they could get so far out of wack. I've been lucky, but this 77-22 seems to be about 14" low and 4" right at 60M.

Shoots well though. I've managed to re-shim the mounts and the rings and now the adjustments are roughly centered.

My Brownalls Catalogue was a bit vague, but our Burris importer here reckons I'll need a base adapter from the Ruger system to a Weaver system, and pop the Zee rings onto that.

So now the phone around begins. What's the odds all will offer to order it in and I'll still be waiting for years to come.
Meanwhile, some small gunshop may have one sitting there unnoticed. Ah well.

200 meters will be a real challenge .If there is any wind at all. When testing ammo for the silhouette game my groups open up when moving from 77 meters to 100m and the good from the really good stuff is exposed. Might try Lupua {sp?} and the top level SK-Jag.

So Leadlobber, your saying the ammo with a smaller group driffs less, or a variation in the wind affects the bigger grouping ammo more?

I can see that a round heading out of a good group down wind will go further downwind on a gust, but then one heading upwind would tend to get blown back?

Just wondering, as our range usually has about 4" to 5" drift at 90 metres, but my groups open up verticlly mostly.

But I do have a high tech. wind gauge. . . a piece of toilet paper on an old ski pole.
aint it fun?

I always felt I was doing good to stay under 1 in. at 100m with my light barreled Sako Finnfire .I had a heavy Anschutz MS5418 but it never shot much better off the bench.I thinks the jerk behind the trigger has as much to do with that as gun and ammo.

I never tried to take the sillywett game too serious .. keep it fun

I've shot 22 Rimfire benchrest matches at 100 yards, but not at 200 yards.
I think shooting at 200 yards/meters would be more than a challange. There will always be wind, except for a short period of the day in early morning and late afternoon at about 6 PM. With any amount of wind, shooting at 200 would be unmanageable. Even if you have wind flags placed along the shooting lane all the way to 200 yards, the shear magnitude of coping with what the flags tell you would be daunting. Any good groups you shot at that distance would be based on luck. For one thing, along the path of the bullet to 200 yards, wind flags will be blowing in all different directions at different velocities. It's extremely difficult to shoot well at 100 yards in wind, but 200 would be a nightmare, with a 22 Rimfire.

Don

This is an older thread...

but our local range was trying to put on a 200 yd 22 rimfire match quarterly a few years ago..

I attended and competed... I did okay, but didn't have the investment in my equipment that some of the other guys did...

they finally had enought tho, that they broke it into different groups based on rifle type, sights etc...

and of course a special category for Winchester 52s and Remington 75s....

I watched the guys with the old heavy long barreled model 52s with peep sights shoot some unbelievable groups at 200 yds with those things...using non Walmart Ammo I am sure...

But with the right equipment, 200 yds with 22 LRs is certainly a competing potential activity..

Old but not forgotten. I'm still waiting for jens poulsen to check back. Maybe he's in Jail.