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Resistance is resistance and all my tests; on wet/dry magazines, dead whales, piles of discarded bones and meat, as well as live bears, moose and caribou all show the same results. Frontal area, and it's effect on SD, are the best indicater of penetration that I have found. I know John Barsness has also done extensive testing and also found that in many calibers the new Nosler Partition bullets out penetrating the TSX bullets of the same weight. This is no slam against the TSX as it is a wonderful bullet and one of my favorites. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Of your choices- I'd have to take the 45-70 lever-with Level III Loads Though I would rather have my 450 Alaskan or the 50-110 I am building Since my necessity to shoot lefty , which occurred 4+ years ago I find my speed and accuracy for follow-ups as a southpaw is much greater with the lever than the bolt another choice for me might be a 458 Garand conversion or BAR conversion DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Well, I would've dearly loved to take my CZ in 500 Jeffery brown bear hunting this September, instead I'm taking a Rem XCR II in 375 Weatherby shooting 300g Partitions. Stainless/synthetic vs blued steel/wood and 7 3/8 lbs vs 11 lbs were the deciding factors. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I provided Michael 458 with 3 different 400 gr & 1 370 gr (416 caliber) bullets to test for comparative penetration in the medium he uses. 370 NF's,400 TSX,400 Swift A frame and 400 NPs. The NP's penetrated the deepest although they were all close. The results are posted somewhere deep in his terminal thread. All 400's delivered at 2400 FPS and I believe the 370 NF's at about 2500 to simulate most 416 std velocities
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Guides will try to get you inside 100 yds., closer if conditions permit. My B.&C. bear was taken at 240 yds. Cold Zero | |||
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jwp, See my post above. Jack shot a brown bear on Admiralty Island while being guided by Ralph Young. He used a 375 H&H Pre-64 Mod 70 to take the bear. 465H&H | |||
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My response as you can see had to do with Jack shooting a Large Alaskan Bear with the 30-06 which he did not to my knowledge. I know that Jack shot a large Alaskan bear with the 375 as well as Tiger and elephant with the 416 Rigby _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Jack shot a couple of tigers but as I remember it, he used his 375. He did shoot a bull elephant in Zambia with a 416 Rigby. I had that gun here at my house a couple of years ago for pictures. 465H&H | |||
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Yes the Tiger was shot with a 375 to my knowledge as well _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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JWP475- I actually talked with Don Dehart who was guiding Jack O'Connor when O'Connor shot a very large grizzly with a 270 Win while he was hunting for sheep. Dehart claimed that Jack was a wonderful shot and easily killed the grizzly but was uncomfortable with the camp and drank a lot. Dehart also guided Elmer Keith to several large dall sheep and other animals and loved Elmer. He told me that he didn't even charge Elmer for his last moose. Jack Lee who was another guide liked OConnor and believed that he was completely top shelf. Sincerely, Thomas Thomas Kennedy | |||
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Jack O'Connor did indeed shoot more Grizzly's with both the 30-06 and the 270. A large grizzly is not the same as a large coastal brown bear _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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You might tell the bear that. Every year you can go to the approaches into the Basin and watch large grizzlies walk over the passes to the coast were they can extend fall and where the weather is not as harsh. You can watch them return in the Spring. Grizzlies taken on the Copper near where Jack's was shot are classed as Brown Bears and not Grizzlies. Some Grizzlies are found on salmon streams and can approach the size of a smaller coastal bear. Are they as big as a trophy Kodiak boar or an overly large Alaska Pennisula bear- No. But there have been grizzlies taken that are as big as the bears on Admiralty Island. There have been some mighty large grizzlies that have been taken. Thomas Kennedy | |||
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True bears that are near the coast will get just as large, because a Grizzly and an Alaskan Brown are the same species, the difference is the coastal bears have a longer growing season and better food supply and thus get bigger You are spliting a fine frogs hair here. When Jack went after a Large Brown on admiraltyhe took a 375 H&H and that is what he used _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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None of the above for me. 9.3 X 62 with 286 gr Nosler Partitions or 286 gr Barnes TSX, been there done that. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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