Alaska F&G used or still do issue Remingtom M600 Carbines for bear defense. Can anyone tell me what loads were used, the 200 or 250 grain bullet...

Also has anyone hunted with this cartridge and what load did you use.

Thanks...Bob

I was stationed in Alaska in the late 60's and shot 2 brown bear with a Rem 600 in 350 Mag using the 250gr factory load. The longer of the two shots was just short of 150 yards at an unsuspecting bear -- he spun at the shot and ran about 20 yards. The other bear was a lot closer (also unsuspecting) and he dropped at the shot...junped up and ran a short distance when I shot him the 2nd time and he fell at the shot. I never chronographed any of those old loads but I would suspect the velocity listed on the box was a pipe-dream.

I did use a Rem 700 in 350 RemMag on my 1st Africa safari and dropped a big eland with one shot and they are bigger and tougher than a moose.

Phil Shoemaker speaks highly of the .350RM and a friend of mine that has been a brown bear guide for a lot of years uses one.

I have a Mod600 and it shoots the 225gr Barne's TSX very well.

Joe

I think Phil Shoemaker has posted that the second largest bear taken at his camp was w/ the 350RM. A 250gr. bullet is a powerhouse provided you have enough length in the magazine box. If you measure by Newton's theory and compare w/ other cartridges in foot-lbs it looks okay. If you measure by Taylor in K.O. or by actual field performance, it is an incredible hard hitter in a little package.

Gary

I haven't shot a big bear with the 350 but my 660 has been my constant companion for almost 20 years. In that time I have taken many dozens of caribou some fairly large and have a good feel for bullet performance in 35. I have found the best balance of trajectory, penetration and expansion in the 225 Nosler partition at 2650ft/sec.(Try 748 or 4320) The 225 Nosler penetrates as well as the standard 250 grainers and expands better at longer ranges due to higher residual velocity and good construction.
The shorter length also allows for a more efficient use of the short magazine.

When compared to the 200 grainer at 2750 it shoots almost as flat and hits harder on really big game. This was my polar bear defense load in Nunavut and I didn't feel under-gunned.

Thank you for all the replies. I started useing a M700 Classic in about 1991 and hunted with it until last year. Had always wanted a M600 Carbine and finally found one two years ago. It handles so fast and shot just as well as the M700...so the Classic was sold earlier this year.

So far I have only had the chance to hunt deer with the gun. It seems to knock them flat without a lot of meat damage...what else could one ask for.

Main hunting bullets so far have been the 225 Nosler Petition and the 220 grain Speer. Other good 250 grain bullets that have been recommended are the Hornady and Speer. WW 748 and IMR 4320 have been the powders used and velocity has been in the mid to upper 2600s.

One reloading problem I have encountered is lack of neck tension. Turns out having to seat bullets to 2.800" both the Nosler and Sierra begin to taper so that the bullets are not totally in contact with the case neck. This results in bullets being easily pushed back into the case. It is not a problem with Hornady or Speer bullets as they have a longer straight part of the shank. I have ordered a Lee Factory Crimp die to solve this problem. I ran into a guy where I shoot with a M673. He was having the same problem and got one of the dies...works great.

Thanks again and hope to hear from more of you who have hunted with the .350 RM...

Bob

Well this thread was a bonus for me as I just stumbled upon it. I just horsetraded my nephew out of a Mod 7 KS in .350 Rem Mag from the Rem. custom shop one of the early ones. Very nice, trim and slick. Will prolly go with the Nosler 225 gr. for bullet, still mulling my options as far as powder tho?

Gentlemen ----- I shoot a couple of .358 STA's and have tried every .358 bullet produced, including testing with a tough test box. If toughness and accuracy is what you want, try the North Fork bullets. They make 225, 250 and 270 grainers. I have shot them all from Colorado to Alaska to Africa and find then hard to beat. http://www.northforkbullets.com will get you there. Good luck and good shooting.

Bob,
As you know I had a Mod 7 KS from the custom shop in 350RM. I only shot deer and turkeys with it, but I also did a lot of handloading and shooting with it.
I always used IMR 3031, simply because I had a lot of it on hand.
This little rifle shot very good at 100 and 200 yards, the farthest I shot it on paper.
For deer sized game I liked the Hornady 200 grain. For bigger stuff my plan was to use the 250 Speer or the 250 Hornady RN.
I let a buddy talk me out of it, and replaced it with a 20" SAKO Handy Rifle in the Mcmillan stock, as even back then I had Africa on my mind.
I would not hesitate to use the 350 on even big bears in the alders.
Now there are many more choices of .358 bullets.
Bob take a look at the North Fork bullets.

On my last trip to Alaska the Game Warden came to our camp in a boat. In the boat he had one of the original Rem 350's with the laminated stock.

After all this time I would have thought the bolt handles would have long since fallen off or the extractors failed on these Remingtons and all the Alasken Wardens would have been eaten by bears! Maybe it is not the problem some let on it is ??

I beleave the 350RM can shoot a 250gr bullet at 2550 fps just a little under the 338 win mag

ne450-that M7 KS in 350 is one rifle I'd love to have. I passed on one a couple of years ago. I won't pass on the next one I find.

MD

Mark

The model 7 KS can be ordered from the Remington custom shop, as it is still being produced, and in .350 rem mag.

I believe Davidson's (Gallery of Guns?) had Ruger 77 stainless/synthetics in .350 mag a while back. I was tempted, but I have a custom .358 Win that works pretty well, so I passed.


Here is alink to their blued/walnut version
http://www.galleryofguns.com/gunlocator/gunsearch/Produ...anuf%2C+unk2%2C+unk3

And one to the stainless/synthetic version -
http://www.galleryofguns.com/gunlocator/gunsearch/Produ...anuf%2C+unk2%2C+unk3

Well, I guess the lunks are too long, but if you put "Ruger" and ".350 Rem Mag" in the gun locator at the website, you'll find them!

fgula-Thx but the problem is I can't get it for what I passed on it 4....one of those ones that got away!

MD

Just got back from two weeks away...and was able to find a box of 250 Speer bullets. This gives me 3 different 250 grain bullets to try at this point...250 Speer, 250 Speer Grand Slam and the 250 Hornady Spire Point...and I think I have some 250 grain round nose bullets but can not remember who made them. Tried to get a box of the the Speer TBB bullets but have not been able to find some yet.

NE...I have some IMR3031 but have not tried it yet. WW748 has worked so well with 200-2225s and is supposed to give great velocities with 250s also.

I'll also look at those North Fork bullets.

One thing that still has not come is the Lee Factory Crimp Die. Won't be doing any more loading until that one comes...

Bob

.358 Winchester Short Magnum. Think about it, guys! Write letters! I'd love to see someone follow up on the .350 Remington Magnum's "underground" success with a new short Magnum. I've been thinking of either a .350RM or a .358 "WSM" wildcat for black bear and moose/elk in the thick sticks.

Ruger is making the 350 Rem Mag at present in blued and stainless. Davidson's has a few. I had one for sale on the classifieds here for days but no one wanted it. Still have it if anyone's interested for $525.00 shipped. They're going to be collector's items here after this year, so said a Ruger rep I talked to on the phone. 350 Rem Mag is a great caliber up here in AK.
choke

anyone know what kind of MV you can expect out of a 24 inch 350 rm shooting those 270 gr North forks?

I'd guess you could get 2400 and change from the 270 grainers.

I've gone the opposite tact with my 350 and will be working up loads with the 225 gr tsx @ 2700 and change. The 225 sierras shoot very well in my Ruger, but they are too lightly constructed for anything but deer and bou.

Thanks paul the 225 tsx was my original intention. I shoot the tsx in every other rifle I own and I know the penetrate like a champ. I was just looking for a few more gr's , I wish they made a 250 gr in .358

RJM

Bob, have yoiu tried the North Forks yet?

I think the 225gr would be the best one for all round use on BIG big game.

I,m suprised Boom Stick hasn,t commented on the358WSM........I built up a very good load in my Ruger 77 mk 2 SS with the 250 gr Kodiak Bonded Core that I moly coated .. I also shot sevral boxes of 250 gr Hornady and Speer bullets .. It did a good 2525 fps but as my 9.3x62 would easily do 2600 with the same weight bullet I traded off the 350.........I wish I hadn,t but thats how it goes.........I,m more interested in high velocity . I was really after a wildcat based on the 300 Short Rum .But the barrel was a slow twist so away it went....But I think it is a great round.... Like the 35 whelan.........

The ruger 350 rem mag is the perfect candidate for a 35 WSM. Ruger used their WSM action, so the feed rails and follower are already perfectly setup. The 35 WSM will perfectly clean up the 350 rem chamber, and Ruger used a 1-12 twist, so you could launch 310 gr Woodleighs if you desired.

I would think the 35 WSM would be crowding 3000 fps with 225's, approaching 2800 w/ 250's and a good 2600 with 270-280 gr bullets.

I was thinking that would be the perfect combo, but after shooting the Ruger in the 350 rem mag, I don't think I really want the added recoil in a rifle of it's weight. My 350 Rigby is quite comfortable to shoot at those recoil levels, but it's nearly 2#'s heavier.

It shouldn,t be too hard to ,, with tactful handloading to get a ton of use out of it..... I would like to get 2700 fps with a 250 gr bullet from an 18 " barrel.. Which is what I wanted it for ............Kindof like a lion scout comes to Alaska kindof thing.............To me a long barreled short action cartridge doesn,t make the kind of sense that appeals to me............. Do you have a reamer........???

Interesting tidbit about the 350 Remington Magnum. Clayton Mack grizzly bear guide from Bella Coola BC was one of the first to receive this rifle. They gave it to him and told him to try it out and see how well it would work on Bears, he was quite happy with it and used it from then on. Prior to this all he had was a 3030, which had served him quite well.

A very interesting read for anybody if you can find it his book it is called, Grizzly bears and white guys. A very funny book about his experience with Bears while guiding some of Hollywood's best.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
It shouldn,t be too hard to ,, with tactful handloading to get a ton of use out of it..... I would like to get 2700 fps with a 250 gr bullet from an 18 " barrel.. Which is what I wanted it for ............Kindof like a lion scout comes to Alaska kindof thing.............To me a long barreled short action cartridge doesn,t make the kind of sense that appeals to me............. Do you have a reamer........???

No I don't have a reamer, but the tact I'd take would be cut the body with a 300 WSM reamer, and then go back with a 35 neck/throat reamer.

If you look in the B&C record book you will find a bear taken by Yuko Sato that scores somewhere around 28 12 or 14/16' It was measured by F&G at 29 2/16 when killed and before drying for B&C and squared an honest ten foot three. It was killed by Yuko with a single shot from her Rem 700 in 350 Rem mag and 250 grain corelock bullets at seventy yards.
The round is an excellent one for big bears.