hi
are these bullets good for grizzly hunting loadad at 2400-2500 fps? or it is better to load with 180 gr nosler or 3x barnes and other permium bullets?
regards
yes

Go with the 180gr or 200gr TSX. Leave the Hornady and Nosler at hame!!!! JHO
Dr B

As long as one doesn't strech the distance to far. They loose vel rather fast. they well punch through any bear and kill them.

I have seen a couple of bears shot with them. holes going in holes going out.

yes;

i recently shot a 300 lb. saskatchewan whitetail in the neck with a .300wthby and 220 gr. hornady bullets. the buck could not hit the ground fast enough and there was no twitching. my preference is to take the neck shot, when ever it presents.

upon autopsy, we found not exit hole and the bullet hit the spine and fragmented and traveled into the chest. this surprised me very much.

this set up was the backup set up for my b.b. hunt. after seeing that , i was very glad that i did not have to use this, i beleive it would have ended up wounding my 11' b and c bear.

use the 220 gr. n.p. or 240 gr. woodleigh, stick to premium bullets only. you get what you pay for...hunts are expensive, bullets are cheap.

i would use the 200 or 180 tsx if i was certain they would expand,,,still hearing reports of the tsx proj just penciling through , barnes said the MRX will be on the shelves in three weeks so that should take care of the expansion problem....remember a bear does not have a thick tough hide!!!
stick with noslers
daniel

m98;

we agree on the n.p.

however, for something with a bad attitude with teeth and claws. i like 200 gr. minimum and leave the 180's for the sheep and deer, m.h.o.

hi
thanks for replies. i have a few boxes of 3006 factory loaded sako with barnes x (the orginal i don't know if they'll oppen up at impact) 180 grain and som winchester failsafe 180 grain and remington swift (scciroco) 180 grain which one would you choose as the best ? i have no bear experience yet.
regards

See if the FailSafe will shoot accurately enough. I've seen them do amazing things to a wild hog's (about 130 pounds) spine (chopped it in half) - complete pass through at about 75 yards - 150 grain from a .308 Win.

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recently shot a 300 lb. saskatchewan whitetail in the neck with a .300wthby and 220 gr. hornady bullets.

I have a hunch that a 220 Hornady is quite a bit past it's design velocity out of a 300 Wby. I suspect it would have held together better at .30-06 velocities.

That being said, I agree that 220 N.P.s are a much better bullet, and with that amazing sectional density will shoot right through almost anything. A lot of people don't realise that 220 gr. .30 caliber bullets have about the highest s.d. going (.331)- better than the highly praised 175 gr. 7 mm, or the 160 gr. 6.5 mm. All you need is about 22-2300 fps at impact, and there's going to be a very deep hole in something.

I recall reading some tests that Finn Aagaard did a few years back, and the 220 N.P.s out of a .30-06 penetrated as deep as 250 gr. N.P.s out of a .338 Win Mag.

tumbleweed;

you are correct. the distance the whitetail was shot at, 75 yds. was part of the problem. now if that was a brown bear, i could have been in trouble.

stick to premium bullets, i like n.p. m.h.o.

With the '06 the 200 grain np is my preference.

220 grain remington core-lokts happen to be my favorite bullet for my 30-06 and I'd think they are close to the hornadys. I have shot moose elk black and brown bears and lots of deer with them and they are great. They expand very well but at the slower velocities they also hold together and penatrate like a drill.

I have to ditto the Wis 30-06 shooter. I use the Rem bullet in my handguns as they do not come apart and with less velocity they still open up as well as stay together! I broke the neck of my Brown Bear at two hundred yards
last year with a 200gr Rem bullet in my.358 Win handgun. On all rifles with speed I without exception use Nosler Partitions. I have shot the TSX and find the accuracy is much better than the X-bullet but these bullets are to late in coming. NOsler Partitions whenever I can.

Neal

I too have shot a couple of deer with impressive results with the Remington 220 grainer.
However, as stated by Cold Zero, a brown bear is a dangerous animal. I'm not sure if you've seen one up close or in the wild, but they're definitly not a animal I'd want to be a scratching post for.
IMHO test those fail safes out of your rifle and if they work well enough, put a 220 in your chamber and fill the rest of the magazine with the fail safes.

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Originally posted by Bear Paw Jack:
With the '06 the 200 grain np is my preference.

Go to http://www.noslershop.com and click reloading for factory partition blems ,I spoke with an employee of Nosler and he said they buy the 2nds for hunting.I buy them and so does a friend.

Weatherby loads the 220gr Hornady in it's factory ammo as a holdover from the old days to give you better penetration. Since the advent of premiums, those long-for-caliber-high-sd bullets sure do look neat, but they are an anachronism to be sure.

Stick to 180gr TSXs or whatever your rifle likes and leave the Hornadys for plinking. As an aside, I use them for hogs in my 300 H&H loaded to about 2500 fps and they DO penetrate! But, I can get equal or better penetration with a TSX and much flatter trajectory. jorge

hi
thanks for replies. i own a ruger 77 ss in 3006 which digest almost all kind of ammo well. according to the norveigian gov ernment information for bear protection(polar bears) all rifles including 308 and 3006 and larger or a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs are good choice for protection, but i find the choice of bullet a bit difficult. some says barnes arebad stoppers they just don't expand or bouncing off heavy bones and some recommanding it it is same about fail safe. norma is loading 180 gr NP and 200 gr oryx and 200 gr accubonds, which are bonded bullets which mushrooms easilly and penetrate well. any sugestion about these 2 bullets?
regards
yes

I like Partitions myself of the ones you mentioned. A freind of mine tried Acubonds and was not satisfied. I'd also consider Swifts or Triple Shocks. My 06 loves them. jorge

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Originally posted by wis30-06shooter:
220 grain remington core-lokts happen to be my favorite bullet for my 30-06 and I'd think they are close to the hornadys. I have shot moose elk black and brown bears and lots of deer with them and they are great. They expand very well but at the slower velocities they also hold together and penatrate like a drill.

I shot these in my Remington 7400 Carbine Synthetic.
They shot a bit higher than the 180's, but were still centered and grouped slightly 'tighter'...curious!
Nice to know I could change loads of factory ammo and just hold high or dead on.

I've used them Hornady and Serria 220gr RN bullets hunting Black Bear before in my 300 Win Mag. going 2650 fps. The only problem I had was that I didn't see any bears.

Just about what I've been looking for. Thank you guys.

Always used an 06, can't beat 'em really. But, when the chamber was shot out, had it reamed out to .300Win. Kept shooting the same old 180gr Core Lokts. They did wonderful out of the 06 on elk.

But, in the 300Win, have only had one opportunity since rebuilding the gun. Shot a cow elk at 200yds up a steep hill. Hit just about dead center high right up tight behind the shoulder. Good shot really, though I prefer to hit them 1/4 up from the bottom in the same place. At 200yds I'd expect any bullet to fully penetrate and exit.

This bullet exploded on the surface, took a 2"x9" slit thru three ribs and never entered the near lung that could be seen thru the hole. I can provide pictures of the ribs/hole.

The hill was very steep and 16" snow. When hit, she was knocked over and slid down the hill. Knowing she'd never slide all the way down, I started up. About 100yds she stopped sliding and damned if she didn't take off running!! I was certain it was a one shot kill, impressive knockdown at the shot.

The second shot was a bad offhand shot I wasn't ready to take. Hit top of the hips right on the spine and broke her down for good. When I walked up to about 50 feet, changed to a handgun just in case, so's not to blow things up too bad. At about ten feet directly in front of her face I slipped on a slick rock and nearly fell, while looking down for footing. I heard a snort & racket from the elk and when I looked, she was head up and pawing hard with both front feet. I feel trying to get me. Blew her head apart with the Blackhawk. I didn't discover the surface blow up til dressing her out. Lungs were in good shape. Actually was killed with the head shot.

After 4 letters, several e/mails and two phone calls wasted, Rem finally replied. "Rem has heard of poor performance with our CoreLokts, we recommend Factory loaded Super(or whatever the term is) CoreLokts.

NFW I'm gonna buy and use factory to start with. After this kind of response from Rem, I don't intend to use another Rem bullet again once my supply is used up on paper, will never use them to hunt with again. I've since gone to Sierra BTSP 200gr. So far, haven't had a shot to see how they do.

Thanks for reading my ramblings.

George

Yes , i use a ruger 77 ultrta light 30/06 with a 20 inch barrel it also shoots all the 150's and 180's that i've tried but my best groups have been with the Hornady 220 RN Later Tanoose

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

recently shot a 300 lb. saskatchewan whitetail in the neck with a .300wthby and 220 gr. hornady bullets.

I have a hunch that a 220 Hornady is quite a bit past it's design velocity out of a 300 Wby. I suspect it would have held together better at .30-06 velocities.

That being said, I agree that 220 N.P.s are a much better bullet, and with that amazing sectional density will shoot right through almost anything. A lot of people don't realise that 220 gr. .30 caliber bullets have about the highest s.d. going (.331)- better than the highly praised 175 gr. 7 mm, or the 160 gr. 6.5 mm. All you need is about 22-2300 fps at impact, and there's going to be a very deep hole in something.

I recall reading some tests that Finn Aagaard did a few years back, and the 220 N.P.s out of a .30-06 penetrated as deep as 250 gr. N.P.s out of a .338 Win Mag.

Out-penetrated the .338-06 and the .35 Whelen.

woodleigh now make a 240 gr 30/06 bullet that might be of interest !!

yes, on a grizz I would question the reliablity of the Hornady and opt for 220 NP's or Woodleighs 220 or its 240 if your going to go with a jacketed. I have been giving a box of 240 Woodleighs but have not had the opportunity to shoot a Grizzly yet with both my .06 or my .30-338 loaded up with them. There is no question that the Barnes will penetrate and I do like them but in bigger calibers where it will provide tissue damage that is something to see.

The Woodleighs new .30 cal/240gr is recommended not to exceed 2400fps impact vel. Be a good bullet I am sure.

I have found that the Sierra 220 grain actually penetrated a lot better out of a 300 Mag, with an MV of 2950 fps... than the Hornady 220 grain RN did...

However, the 220 grain Partition is of course the best of the batch...

30 caliber 220 grain bullets will penetrate like a hot knife thru butter....and it does not need high velocity to be able to do it...

if you are concerned about the shorter trajectory, then use a mildot reticle equiped scope, and that should set you up to out to 300 yds...

it is my favorite bullet weight in 30 caliber...

Things to consider:

Relatively long slow bullets should not be a problem with griz or any other dangerous game. Just ask anyone that guides for dangerous game here or in Africa. Dangerous game should not be poked at from long distances. Sorry Weatherby fans. Too much of a chance for something to go wrong. Get closer before you shoot. Within reasonable shooting distances, a 180 grain spitzer at 2800fps gives you no real world ballistic advantage over a 220 grain RN at 2500fps.

The cost of the bullets, or the ammo if you don't roll your own, is such a small part of the cost of a bear hunt that it shouldn't enter into the decision process. I don't know where you live, but if its not Alaska, you're paying thousands of $$ for airfare, tags, and a guide.

With all that said, my personal choice would be the 220 grain Nosler Partitions. They just work.

I carry a NEF Handi Rifle in 30-06. There is only one bullet I will carry for any thing bigger than Caribou, and that is the 180gr Nosler partition. No wondering if it will expand, it does. No wondering if it penatrate, it does. No wondering if it will smash bone, it does. No wondering if it will reach out to 350 yards, it does. Nosler Partition, proven, tried, and true.

Oh yes, the caribou pictured to the left was taken with my NEF 30-06 at 250 yards.

But my Wife carries the Barnes 250gr bullets for her Remington 7400 in 30-06. Several years ago she killed a charging Grizzly, (Saved my bacon) using that load. They did the trick, stopped the Bear. Personally I still like the 180s, I can place them exactually where I want them, no matter what the range.

hey sourdough;

glad you are still with us bro. +1 on the n.p., i won't switch until it lets me down either.

If it was my decision using an 06 on a big bear I would use Swifts or North Forks. The heavier the better!

Why I don't recommend the Accubond on heavy game.

This a recovered 225 gr NAB that was shot from a .338 RUM. It hit a bull elk at about 200 yards penetrated less than 8" did not get through the shoulder into the goods.

It knocked the bull down but did not kill him. He was killed with a second shot through the ribs.

I don't know if there are any polymer tipped bullets that are up to the job. None that I've seen are very good penetrates. The Nosler PT is a good bullet but in the smaller diameters they almost always shed their noses on entry and lose a 40 to 50% of their weight. Not necessarily a bad thing but there are far better bullets from a penetration stand point.

I like the TSX and Swift A-frame. I've heard good things about the North Fork but have never used them. I've never had a problem with a TSX and I've killed well over a hundred head of game with them.



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