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hi how good is a 375 loaded with standard bullets like 300 gr rem core lokt, win silvertip, federal high shock for big bears? if it is not possible to find cartridges loaded with permium bullets like, swift, nosler, barnes, etc. best regards YES Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | ||
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YES, no & yes Would not recommend C&C bullets for big bears Federal loads some excellent bullets (Swift, Barnes, Nosler, Bear Claw) in their 375 H&H rounds http://www.federalpremium.com/ Norma might be easier for you to get http://www.norma.cc/sortimentj...libernamn=.375%20H&H Jim fur, feathers, & meat in the freezer  "Pass it on to your kids" | |||
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I really like and exclusively use the Barnes TSX. Having said that it is hard to imagine a .375 in diameter hunk of nearly anything not doing a really large bunch of bad to it's intended target regardless the manufacturer. I don't see the reason to not use premium bullets while hunting here but if circumstances demand I'd think the cup and core out of a cartridge so large would be more than adequate. | |||
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Cup core bullets work very well when launched at 2500 fps, especially if they are designed for that velocity, and that's what the 300 gr .375" bullets are designed for. I just haven't read or heard of any reports of conventional 300's out of a 375 failing on bears, they've worked very well for nearly a century. Now if I was picking ammo for a .375, I'd go with a premium 270 gr @ 2700 fps. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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I'm not a fan of the Barns or any mono metal bullet. They do work fine on bears and any other big tough critters that will stop your bullet anyway. It's on light game that I don't care for the idea that pedals on a solid copper bullet is an excuse for expantion. Lead core bullets work well on big bears. I have shot big bears with 300 gr. Sierra GK and 270 gr. Hornady spitzers in my .375's. I have also shot quite a few big bears with the .250 gr Sierra GK's and 250 gr. Hornady interlock in my .338's. Never had any kind of failure at all. With a .375 the only time I ever saw a bullet so fragile that I thought might fail on a big bear was some of the old Barns original 300 gr. .375's. I shot a black bear with a couple of those bullets once and I was surprised how fragele they were. The bear still died DRT though. I once shot a moose with a 270 gr. Remington core lock from my .375 and that bullet gave perfect expantion and retained most of it's weight. DRSS NRA life AK Master Guide 124 | |||
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I usually use 300gn partitions, but I've killed two brown bear with 300gn interlocks because that's what I had with me at the time. First one took 3 shots, 1 through the lungs, one broke the hips when he turned to run, and then another through the chest for a finisher. I didn't dig out the one bullet that stayed in him. The next year I shot one at a dead run inbound while moose hunting and it summersaulted and was done. I didn't dig that out either, but that's good enough for me. DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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I have shot all the Big stuff in Alaska with several different .375 bullets. Frankly they all died. But I do encourage the better bullets. Barnes, Swift, Nosler, etc. marc Joshua 24:15 www.teamfaithfull.net / My granddaughter "Multitudes loose the sight of that which is, by setting their eyes on that which is not". | |||
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3 moose, 2 interior bear for myself and the soninlaw has 4 moose. all with the hornaday round nose 300 gr bullets. all did their job and meat in the pot as well as nice rugs that will always remind me of the heart thumping thrill of tangling with ursus. we run them around 2000 fps and have never had problems with them. at this velosity we get lots of practice and are very proficient with our rifles. 375 calibre isnt the ray of death that you read about but my 458 isnt either. friend shot a 55+ inch moose last year thru the lungs and top of the heart and still had to chase it for 200 yards and wound up butchering in the water anyway. shot placement is everything. i personally take head / neck shots and never have had an animal go far after recieving a thump in the noggin. mostly they stay in their tracks rite there and if they move they have never gone more then 20 feet. still that is sometimes far enough to get the buggers in the water if ya dont pick your spot rite. just my 2 cents. i know a bunch of people dont agree with my views but they work for me so far. ---------------------------------- when all is said and done...more will be said then done | |||
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i agree with you that at lower velocity the standard bullets never fail. i am looking forward to find a nice loading with hornady DGX 300 grain@ 2300 fps and medium to fast burning powder, but my choice in powder is very limited only norma and vihtavouri are available here. best regards and thanks to all of you for replies. yes Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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Hornady Interloks of just about any heavy for caliber weight when launched below 2700 fps are excellent penetrators and expand really well. I call them the premium non premiums. They are my favorite lead bullet. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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hi Mike i agree with you about hornady. a few years ago i tested hornady in 3006 caliber 150 and 180 grain almost in every possible test media, dry and wet papper+ plus hard wood and i got no mantel separataion , nice mushrooming, between 60-75% weight and excellent accuracy too and the result was nearly same with remington core-lokt 180 grain but somewhat less weight around55- 60% and i have a great record of one shot kill with rem core-lokt  Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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From my limited experience I would have to disagree. I shot my lion twice with 300gr RN interloks that were loaded to about 2550fps. The first bullet exited on a quartering away shot. The second bullet was shot head-on into the chest and came apart throwing fragments into the chest. The heal of the bullet was found in the stomach. Not the type of performance I wanted, but it made for a memorable couple of minutes.  Now the 270gr interloks. I know they are not "heavy for caliber", but if you push them near 2700fps you are asking for trouble on anything larger than 400 pounds. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Never used rem core lokt, win silvertip, or federal high shock in a 375 H&H. But of the three for tougher game than deer I'd go with the Remington Core Lokts. My preference would be to use the Remington Safari grade ammo with 300g Swift A-Frames in 375 H&H if available. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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In Six-bits,the 270X is King,whether it H&H,H&H Ackley Improved or 378. | |||
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No they haven't. The .375 H&H was more than a bit controversial with conventional softs because they fail every now and then. There is a reason why knowledgable writers (not just Capstick) and PH's were suggesting using nothing but solids in the .375 H&H for large game for the first 60 or 70 years of its existance. The premium softs that started coming out in the last 25 yrs or so have ended this controversy, at least to my satisfaction. My answer to the original question is that conventional C&C bullets will likely work without failure, but premium bullets will work every time. Dean ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, Duke of York | |||
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Cup/cores are a terminal affects concession...though I'd submit that the Hornie 270gr SP is a wonderous practice boolit and is capable of eerie Precision. The chambering simply can't be ANY better than it's projectile and I remain surprised at the number of folks who can't connect those dots. | |||
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