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Alaskan Group Asks for Permission to Kill Wolf Pups
Saturday, January 19, 2008



ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Residents along the Kuskokwim River want state game managers to allow them to kill wolf pups in their dens.

Wolf numbers seem to be rising in the wilderness around Aniak, McGrath and other villages, and the task once carried out by young Native men should be employed again to help moose populations recover, said Greg Roczicka, natural resources director with Orutsaramuit Native Council in Bethel.

The tribal government and a Fish and Game advisory committee along the central Kuskokwim River have submitted separate proposals asking the Board of Game to overturn regulations outlawing the practice.

The Game Board is scheduled to consider the proposals at upcoming meetings later this month and in February.

At least one group plans to speak against the idea.

"We're fervently opposed to it," said John Toppenberg, director with Alaska Wildlife Alliance. "It's been illegal in Alaska for a long time and deservedly so. It's a Stone Age concept of wildlife management and has no place as a management tool for civilized people. It's just barbaric."

The tribal council and advisory panel also want the board to let hunters kill bear cubs in dens. Along with wolves, bears are blamed for low moose numbers around central Kuskokwim villages, said Doug Carney of Sleetmute, former chairman of Central Kuskokwim Advisory Committee.

Last year's poor aerial wolf-kill and trapping season in Game Unit 19A, located around Aniak, is factoring into concerns that wolf numbers are rebounding, he said. Aerial gunners and trappers killed 10 wolves last winter and spring, compared to more than 70 in each of the two previous years, because a lack of snow made tracking and spotting wolves difficult, he said.

This winter, people are seeing wolves more often than in the past two years, and trappers are finding more wolf tracks, said Carney, a trapper.

Roczicka said pup killing is necessary because the central Kuskokwim region once teemed with moose, consistently providing subsistence meat for hunters from Bethel and villages. Because moose numbers have plummeted in the last five years, subsistence hunting has been eliminated or sharply reduced, he said.

"It was the best moose habitat in the country and it's almost totally gone now," he said. "We want to do everything we can to get moose numbers up back to the way they were."

Reviving the practice will allow predator management to continue if the state's aerial wolf-kill program ends, said Roczikca. Efforts to stop it include a citizen's initiative to appear on the state ballot in August.

Many of the Yup'ik hunters who once controlled wolves in Western Alaska have died, but their stories have passed down, Roczicka said. People who are still alive today often share those stories, including members of Orutsararmuit, Roczicka said.

The group's seven-member council asked Roczicka in the fall to submit the Game Board proposal, he said. The old practice is referenced in a 1997 report by the National Academy of Sciences called "Wolves, Bears and their Prey in Alaska."

According to the report, Athabascans in the Interior controlled wolf numbers to protect caribou and moose by keeping track of wolf dens in hunting areas and systematically killing pups.

Other methods of wolf control that are no longer practiced — and are not requested in the proposal — include wiping an animal's blood on knives or sharp rocks, he said. Wolves cut themselves as they licked away the blood, bleeding to death through their mouths.

Also, some trappers would coil sharpened baleen or willow sticks into taut wads, cover them with fat and freeze the device, he said. Once gobbled by wolves, the wads would open, piercing stomachs and killing the animal, he said.

Game Board chairman Cliff Judkins said the pup-killing proposal is worth discussing.

"It certainly has merit if it's effective and is done by Native and Eskimo people," he said.

"They certainly know where the dens are at and they're not interested in wiping out wolf populations any more than we are."

If the Game Board doesn't pass Orutsararmuit's proposal at its meeting beginning Jan. 25, the central Kuskokwim Advisory committee wants its proposals passed at the Game Board's next meeting beginning Feb. 29.

The proposals only apply to Game Management Unit 19, surrounding Aniak and McGrath.




 
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Alaskan Group Asks for Permission to Kill Wolf Pups
Saturday, January 19, 2008



ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Residents along the Kuskokwim River want state game managers to allow them to kill wolf pups in their dens.

Wolf numbers seem to be rising in the wilderness around Aniak, McGrath and other villages, and the task once carried out by young Native men should be employed again to help moose populations recover, said Greg Roczicka, natural resources director with Orutsaramuit Native Council in Bethel.

The tribal government and a Fish and Game advisory committee along the central Kuskokwim River have submitted separate proposals asking the Board of Game to overturn regulations outlawing the practice.

The Game Board is scheduled to consider the proposals at upcoming meetings later this month and in February.

At least one group plans to speak against the idea.

"We're fervently opposed to it," said John Toppenberg, director with Alaska Wildlife Alliance. "It's been illegal in Alaska for a long time and deservedly so. It's a Stone Age concept of wildlife management and has no place as a management tool for civilized people. It's just barbaric."

The tribal council and advisory panel also want the board to let hunters kill bear cubs in dens. Along with wolves, bears are blamed for low moose numbers around central Kuskokwim villages, said Doug Carney of Sleetmute, former chairman of Central Kuskokwim Advisory Committee.

Last year's poor aerial wolf-kill and trapping season in Game Unit 19A, located around Aniak, is factoring into concerns that wolf numbers are rebounding, he said. Aerial gunners and trappers killed 10 wolves last winter and spring, compared to more than 70 in each of the two previous years, because a lack of snow made tracking and spotting wolves difficult, he said.

This winter, people are seeing wolves more often than in the past two years, and trappers are finding more wolf tracks, said Carney, a trapper.

Roczicka said pup killing is necessary because the central Kuskokwim region once teemed with moose, consistently providing subsistence meat for hunters from Bethel and villages. Because moose numbers have plummeted in the last five years, subsistence hunting has been eliminated or sharply reduced, he said.

"It was the best moose habitat in the country and it's almost totally gone now," he said. "We want to do everything we can to get moose numbers up back to the way they were."

Reviving the practice will allow predator management to continue if the state's aerial wolf-kill program ends, said Roczikca. Efforts to stop it include a citizen's initiative to appear on the state ballot in August.

Many of the Yup'ik hunters who once controlled wolves in Western Alaska have died, but their stories have passed down, Roczicka said. People who are still alive today often share those stories, including members of Orutsararmuit, Roczicka said.

The group's seven-member council asked Roczicka in the fall to submit the Game Board proposal, he said. The old practice is referenced in a 1997 report by the National Academy of Sciences called "Wolves, Bears and their Prey in Alaska."

According to the report, Athabascans in the Interior controlled wolf numbers to protect caribou and moose by keeping track of wolf dens in hunting areas and systematically killing pups.

Other methods of wolf control that are no longer practiced — and are not requested in the proposal — include wiping an animal's blood on knives or sharp rocks, he said. Wolves cut themselves as they licked away the blood, bleeding to death through their mouths.

Also, some trappers would coil sharpened baleen or willow sticks into taut wads, cover them with fat and freeze the device, he said. Once gobbled by wolves, the wads would open, piercing stomachs and killing the animal, he said.

Game Board chairman Cliff Judkins said the pup-killing proposal is worth discussing.

"It certainly has merit if it's effective and is done by Native and Eskimo people," he said.

"They certainly know where the dens are at and they're not interested in wiping out wolf populations any more than we are."

If the Game Board doesn't pass Orutsararmuit's proposal at its meeting beginning Jan. 25, the central Kuskokwim Advisory committee wants its proposals passed at the Game Board's next meeting beginning Feb. 29.

The proposals only apply to Game Management Unit 19, surrounding Aniak and McGrath.


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Perhaps they would have been better off doing what needed to be done and kept to themselves. Now everybody will be watching. Of course that route comes with its own can of worms too. stir
 
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.........Ya ,, But the option of haveing some ADF&G take your boat or sno go . Because you did the right thing is a bad option .....All the ignoramis liberals will side with the wolves ,, But they have pretty hard sledding against the people who,s heritage it is to live off the moose and caribou .. And to kill pups .....


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.........Ya ,, But the option of haveing some ADF&G take your boat or sno go . Because you did the right thing is a bad option .....All the ignoramis liberals will side with the wolves ,, But they have pretty hard sledding against the people who,s heritage it is to live off the moose and caribou .. And to kill pups .....



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.........Nuff said .


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The natives who don't buy hunting liscenses and shoot indiscriminatly are partially to blame, but they are using the wolf as as capegoat.

More kit gloves for Alaska's natives.
 
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The 3 S's goes both ways for game. If it goes for the wolves and bear, you know people are doing it on everything that moves too.
 
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.........The point trying to be made,,,,, is that the state let itself be bullied by the Enviro wackos into putting a stop to shooting wolves from airplanes .........and they took the bounty off wolves , again because the E wackos ..are opposed to people ,and people being healthy and happy because they are well fed .... By what they hunt and kill ..................................Can you tell I don,t like what E Wackos do and stand for... Any way,, by makeing a law that the people couldn,t kill wolves weather young of old , the state [sounds communist don,t it ] had to give incentives to enable people to hunt adult wolves ..........Hence the bounty and areal wolf shooting .........Well then the state stopped the bounty and the fly and shoot , But still say they can,t kill pups ...,.,.................Mean while the wolves are eating all the moose and caribou ............@ 6-7$ a gallon for gas in the bush and very little income most locals can,t afford the great expense of finding and hunting/trapping wolves .........................Native sovereignty ,,,,,,,,tho it gets skewed ....Is a real form of [Government , of the people , for the people and by the people ] .....


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I don't have a dog/wolf/coyote in this fight, but it always seems funny to me that the folks that fight so adamantly for the protection of wolves and coyotes and mountain lions and bears, don't live any where close to the area where the problem is.

I guess those folks figure that if the problem is not actually biting them in the ass, one way or another, it is not a problem.

Just my Opinion.


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I've always liked the lethal simplicity of the willow filled meatballs... they are untraceable unless you get caught distributing them.....

you can't call the method "elegant", but it doesn;t require you to carry a noisy firearm or get caught using your shovel...


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I don't have a dog/wolf/coyote in this fight, but it always seems funny to me that the folks that fight so adamantly for the protection of wolves and coyotes and mountain lions and bears, don't live any where close to the area where the problem is.

I guess those folks figure that if the problem is not actually biting them in the ass, one way or another, it is not a problem.

Just my Opinion.


Well, maybe we should send them some. Hell,they can have ALL of ours from Montana!!!!!!!! dancing Then they won't have to come here to see them!! moon


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I think that every one of those do gooder Liberal meat heads shold be forced to watch a Wolf Pack slaughter a Moose calf, and repeat watching it till they puke. None of them have a clue about what they preach. They live in a dream world.

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