THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM ALASKA HUNTING FORUM

Accuratereloading.com    The Accurate Reloading Forums    THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS  Hop To Forum Categories  Hunting  Hop To Forums  Alaska Hunting Forum    Federal Subsistence Board Closes 23 & 26A Through 2023

Moderators: Paul H
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Federal Subsistence Board Closes 23 & 26A Through 2023
 Login/Join
 
One of Us
Picture of BrettAKSCI
posted
Well, it looks like they decided to do it. It's in effect for the 2022 and 2023 hunting seasons.

Brett


https://www.doi.gov/subsistenc...d-temporary-wildlife


DRSS
Life Member SCI
Life Member NRA
Life Member WSF

Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter
May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick.
And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too.
May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep.
May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip.
-Seth Peterson
 
Posts: 4551 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 21 February 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
"It has only just begone". (For many-many-many Reasons).


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of buckeyeshooter
posted Hide Post
I peeked at the subsistence drawing that was on the books for the 29th. 2 caribou and 6 sheep for 4 towns. Are the towns that small or the limits that severe? If I was living there and hunting for food, I would like the chance to at least kill something. Guess I would have to learn to like fish?
 
Posts: 5725 | Location: Ohio | Registered: 02 April 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
https://www.themeateater.com/c...es-of-hunting-access

MOST AMERICANS JUST LOST MILLION OF ACRES OF HUNTING ACCESS



SAM LUNGREN
Apr 1, 2022



Most Americans Just Lost Million of Acres of Hunting Access

On March 30, the Federal Subsistence Board voted unanimously to approve Wildlife Special Action 21-01a, which will close millions of acres of public lands in northwestern Alaska to caribou and moose hunting by most non-locals for at least the next two hunting seasons.

The effort was led by local subsistence hunters who believe that pressure from outsiders has something to do with delayed caribou migrations and declining moose populations, despite scant scientific evidence. This goes against overwhelming opposition from hunters and conservation groups across Alaska and the country.

Members of the Northwest Arctic Regional Advisory Council submitted this controversial proposal in 2021 at it has been hotly debated ever since. Read MeatEater’s previous coverage of the situation here. Every public comment period and listening session has been dominated by angry hunters from points across the nation who have hunted there or hoped to do so someday.

The advisory council did not end up closing the entire 60 million acres originally proposed. Instead, they are shuttering the Noatak National Preserve and all BLM lands between the Kobuk and Noatak rivers to caribou hunting. All federal public lands in Unit 23 will close to moose harvest by all non-federally qualified subsistence hunters.

“The Council is very concerned about the late migration of caribou through Unit 23 because local people rely upon caribou to meet their subsistence needs,” the proposal states. “The Council is particularly concerned about the effect transporters and non-local hunters are having on the migration of the Western Arctic Caribou Herd and believe that transporter activity in Units 23 and 26A may be delaying caribou migration. The Council hopes this request would reduce aircraft traffic, creating an easier path for migrating caribou. The Council also supports closing moose hunting to non-Federally qualified users because of declining moose populations.”

The Federal Subsistence Board is comprised of members from each subsistence region in Alaska as well as representatives from each relevant federal land management agency, including the National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Forest Service, and Bureau of Land Management. Many observers cite this action as yet another example of federal overreach into wildlife management in the Last Frontier. The Alaska Department of Fish and Game fought aggressively against the special action, contending that it interferes with their mandate to manage hunting and wildlife within their borders.

ADFG estimates the average annual harvest of Western Arctic Herd caribou was around 12,000 animals between 2017 and 2019. Non-locals were responsible for about 64 of those caribou killed per year.

“We are disappointed in the action the Federal Subsistence Board took to close such a wide swatch of federal public lands in Northwest Alaska to non-federally qualified users (non-locals),” Ben Mulligan, deputy commissioner of ADFG, told MeatEater. “The provisions under the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) are clear when the FSB can enact such a closure, and the state did not see how this request met those stipulations. The harvestable surplus of caribou is still high enough to accommodate the amount reasonably necessary for subsistence for locals and non-locals alike, and the claim that non-locals are causing the change in migration of the WAH was shaky at best. The one aspect of this that is most disheartening is the dismissal of the hundreds of people who called and wrote in to oppose this closure.”

The department has previously promised a robust legal battle if the council took such action: “We are still evaluating the impact of the action the FSB took yesterday afternoon and weighing our options,” Mulligan said.

This closure has, however, united factious conservation and hunting groups across the country, with opposition coming across the spectrum from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership to Safari Club International.

“This closure is an extreme disappointment and goes beyond what is called for by the caribou management plan, even at the current management level of ‘preservative declining.’ This closure will have no measurable effect on herd abundance and is very unlikely to affect caribou migration,” the Alaska Chapter of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers said in a statement. “The problem of the declining numbers in the caribou herd and shifts in migration patterns are not caused by non-local hunters, and this motion will do nothing to address the driving factors of decline and availability of the resource to subsistence users.”

The unilateral and closed-door nature of the decision greatly frustrated those seeking mutually agreeable solutions.

“We advocate for a more open public process that does not allow the Federal Subsistence Board to remain insulated from public comment and we will advocate for solutions to wildlife management issues that are based in sound science,” AK BHA stated.

Durable and effective wildlife management measures come from consensus and compromise—not locking out specific user groups, MeatEater’s Director of Conservation Ryan Callaghan said.

"There are many management options that lie between allowing non-subsistence hunters to hunt and not. Many of which, like a reduced or limited draw, hunters could have supported. However, the closing of millions of acres is lazy management and not supportable,” Callaghan said.


Kathi

kathi@wildtravel.net
708-425-3552

"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page."
 
Posts: 9535 | Location: Chicago | Registered: 23 July 2003Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
This is going to grow all across Alaska. People's brains (has zero to do with intelligence) simply can't grasp how fast this is going to expand all across Alaska. Least you think I am chicken little, trying to generate hunters' activation, this Federal movement is a good thing for me.
________________________________________________________________

quote:
Originally posted by Kathi:
https://www.themeateater.com/c...es-of-hunting-access

MOST AMERICANS JUST LOST MILLION OF ACRES OF HUNTING ACCESS



SAM LUNGREN
Apr 1, 2022



Most Americans Just Lost Million of Acres of Hunting Access

On March 30, the Federal Subsistence Board voted unanimously to approve Wildlife Special Action 21-01a, which will close millions of acres of public lands in northwestern Alaska to caribou and moose hunting by most non-locals for at least the next two hunting seasons.

The effort was led by local subsistence hunters who believe that pressure from outsiders has something to do with delayed caribou migrations and declining moose populations, despite scant scientific evidence. This goes against overwhelming opposition from hunters and conservation groups across Alaska and the country.

Members of the Northwest Arctic Regional Advisory Council submitted this controversial proposal in 2021 at it has been hotly debated ever since. Read MeatEater’s previous coverage of the situation here. Every public comment period and listening session has been dominated by angry hunters from points across the nation who have hunted there or hoped to do so someday.

The advisory council did not end up closing the entire 60 million acres originally proposed. Instead, they are shuttering the Noatak National Preserve and all BLM lands between the Kobuk and Noatak rivers to caribou hunting. All federal public lands in Unit 23 will close to moose harvest by all non-federally qualified subsistence hunters.

“The Council is very concerned about the late migration of caribou through Unit 23 because local people rely upon caribou to meet their subsistence needs,” the proposal states. “The Council is particularly concerned about the effect transporters and non-local hunters are having on the migration of the Western Arctic Caribou Herd and believe that transporter activity in Units 23 and 26A may be delaying caribou migration. The Council hopes this request would reduce aircraft traffic, creating an easier path for migrating caribou. The Council also supports closing moose hunting to non-Federally qualified users because of declining moose populations.”

The Federal Subsistence Board is comprised of members from each subsistence region in Alaska as well as representatives from each relevant federal land management agency, including the National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Forest Service, and Bureau of Land Management. Many observers cite this action as yet another example of federal overreach into wildlife management in the Last Frontier. The Alaska Department of Fish and Game fought aggressively against the special action, contending that it interferes with their mandate to manage hunting and wildlife within their borders.

ADFG estimates the average annual harvest of Western Arctic Herd caribou was around 12,000 animals between 2017 and 2019. Non-locals were responsible for about 64 of those caribou killed per year.

“We are disappointed in the action the Federal Subsistence Board took to close such a wide swatch of federal public lands in Northwest Alaska to non-federally qualified users (non-locals),” Ben Mulligan, deputy commissioner of ADFG, told MeatEater. “The provisions under the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) are clear when the FSB can enact such a closure, and the state did not see how this request met those stipulations. The harvestable surplus of caribou is still high enough to accommodate the amount reasonably necessary for subsistence for locals and non-locals alike, and the claim that non-locals are causing the change in migration of the WAH was shaky at best. The one aspect of this that is most disheartening is the dismissal of the hundreds of people who called and wrote in to oppose this closure.”

The department has previously promised a robust legal battle if the council took such action: “We are still evaluating the impact of the action the FSB took yesterday afternoon and weighing our options,” Mulligan said.

This closure has, however, united factious conservation and hunting groups across the country, with opposition coming across the spectrum from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership to Safari Club International.

“This closure is an extreme disappointment and goes beyond what is called for by the caribou management plan, even at the current management level of ‘preservative declining.’ This closure will have no measurable effect on herd abundance and is very unlikely to affect caribou migration,” the Alaska Chapter of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers said in a statement. “The problem of the declining numbers in the caribou herd and shifts in migration patterns are not caused by non-local hunters, and this motion will do nothing to address the driving factors of decline and availability of the resource to subsistence users.”

The unilateral and closed-door nature of the decision greatly frustrated those seeking mutually agreeable solutions.

“We advocate for a more open public process that does not allow the Federal Subsistence Board to remain insulated from public comment and we will advocate for solutions to wildlife management issues that are based in sound science,” AK BHA stated.

Durable and effective wildlife management measures come from consensus and compromise—not locking out specific user groups, MeatEater’s Director of Conservation Ryan Callaghan said.

"There are many management options that lie between allowing non-subsistence hunters to hunt and not. Many of which, like a reduced or limited draw, hunters could have supported. However, the closing of millions of acres is lazy management and not supportable,” Callaghan said.


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Biggest surprise here is that no one has yet threatened any legal challenge to this total sham of resource management. SCI, BHA where are you? This movement is a cancer that will spread to all states with large parcels of public land. The New Mexico challenge to NR hunters is a recent example.
 
Posts: 1339 | Registered: 17 February 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by crane:
Biggest surprise here is that no one has yet threatened any legal challenge to this total sham of resource management. SCI, BHA where are you? This movement is a cancer that will spread to all states with large parcels of public land. The New Mexico challenge to NR hunters is a recent example.


This just happened. Well though out litigation does not get filed instantly. It doesn’t surprise me .

Litigation is coming . 100% certain.
 
Posts: 12133 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: 26 January 2006Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Not sure how complicated this case is. Also not an attorney. My nutshell summation- Federal Subsistence Board uses cultural identity, not biology to manage resource. FSB eliminates all but locals who are allowed to "take" up to 7 animals per day. Seems like a first year law student could get a stay or injunction on this. Again, not an attorney.
 
Posts: 1339 | Registered: 17 February 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by crane:
Not sure how complicated this case is. Also not an attorney. My nutshell summation- Federal Subsistence Board uses cultural identity, not biology to manage resource. FSB eliminates all but locals who are allowed to "take" up to 7 animals per day. Seems like a first year law student could get a stay or injunction on this. Again, not an attorney.


Would likely take seven to nine years in court and on appeals, costing the state of Alaska massive money it does not have. When it "WILL be IRREVELENT" in three or four years, because Caribou herds fluctuate wildly over brief time periods. That herd may grow or decrease by 70% or more in a few years. In the mean time, the Dept. of Interior may notice that "HUNTING" is allowed on lands classified as "Wildlife REFUGE".


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of 458Win
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
quote:
Originally posted by crane:
Not sure how complicated this case is. Also not an attorney. My nutshell summation- Federal Subsistence Board uses cultural identity, not biology to manage resource. FSB eliminates all but locals who are allowed to "take" up to 7 animals per day. Seems like a first year law student could get a stay or injunction on this. Again, not an attorney.


Would likely take seven to nine years in court and on appeals, costing the state of Alaska massive money it does not have. When it "WILL be IRREVELENT" in three or four years, because Caribou herds fluctuate wildly over brief time periods. That herd may grow or decrease by 70% or more in a few years. In the mean time, the Dept. of Interior may notice that "HUNTING" is allowed on lands classified as "Wildlife REFUGE".


Federal Wildlife Refuges were designed, set aside and are paid for by funds generated by the Pittman Robertson act that taxes hunters and shooters for firearms and ammunition .


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com
 
Posts: 4211 | Location: Bristol Bay | Registered: 24 April 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by 458Win:
Federal Wildlife Refuges were designed, set aside and are paid for by funds generated by the Pittman Robertson act that taxes hunters and shooters for firearms and ammunition .


I shudder to think how quickly that could be altered with an "Executive Order".


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of 458Win
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
quote:
Originally posted by 458Win:
Federal Wildlife Refuges were designed, set aside and are paid for by funds generated by the Pittman Robertson act that taxes hunters and shooters for firearms and ammunition .


I shudder to think how quickly that could be altered with an "Executive Order".


That is not somehing that can be changed withi an Executive Order.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master guide
FAA Master pilot
NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com
 
Posts: 4211 | Location: Bristol Bay | Registered: 24 April 2004Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
Phil-
What is next? Hearing the drumbeats of some very pissed off people about the caribou situation down your way. Amplified by our favorite Fed pilot who surely has used company time to locate animals. My point: Cultural Identity and the FSB coming soon to many areas unless they are stopped now.
 
Posts: 1339 | Registered: 17 February 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by crane:
Phil-
What is next? Hearing the drumbeats of some very pissed off people about the caribou situation down your way. My point: Cultural Identity and the FSB coming soon to many areas unless they are stopped now.


"IF".......People really-really care about this issue, they should start by researching how wide spread it is "ALREADY". Just for EXAMPLE: Much of "Federal Subsistence Program" has "ZERO" to do with Cultural "ANYTHING", least of all Identity. It also "Generally" has little or zero to do with proximity to the hunt. I live near Hope, Alaska. I just received notice that (4) Four Mt. Goats "Subsistence" permits are available to harvest Goats a few miles from Hope, Alaska. However any resident of very specific towns, can apply, simply by virtue of being a current resident of one of those select towns. Including the town of Seldovia, Alaska. Which is a hundred miles away.


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of A7Dave
posted Hide Post
Back in 2016 Larry Bartlett posted excellent videos regarding the status of the WACH and specifically the management of the Unit 23 herd. He testified at this meeting. Skip to 5:00 to hear his testimony. He has posted other videos which show the impact of climate factors which impact the herd, rather than the rationale which blames non local hunters for the local hunter success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stFFPKMcHVo


Dave
 
Posts: 927 | Location: AKexpat | Registered: 27 October 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by 458Win:
quote:
Originally posted by Alaskan Sourdough:
quote:
Originally posted by 458Win:
Federal Wildlife Refuges were designed, set aside and are paid for by funds generated by the Pittman Robertson act that taxes hunters and shooters for firearms and ammunition .


I shudder to think how quickly that could be altered with an "Executive Order".


That is not somehing that can be changed withi an Executive Order.


I may not fully understand todays Court Ruling, But it appears the State of Alaska, is not in control of hunting on "ANY" Federal Lands......and clearly not Federal Wildlife Refuge Lands.


ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
 
Posts: 312 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 23 March 2021Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

Accuratereloading.com    The Accurate Reloading Forums    THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS  Hop To Forum Categories  Hunting  Hop To Forums  Alaska Hunting Forum    Federal Subsistence Board Closes 23 & 26A Through 2023

Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia