hi
if you have used this comination for hunting in alaska. please tell us about it.
best regards
yazid

I have used the 200 Partition to kill eight or ten big bears and only chose the 200's because at the time Nosler did not make the 220. I now keep a couple boxes of the 220's loaded to use as loaners for guides, packers and clients. I would have absolute faith in them.
Another bullet that looks superb for use on big critters is the 240 gr Woodleigh. Again, I have not killed anything with them but in my testing they penetrated deep ( although not as much as the Noslers) but were unique as they opened to sometimes over an inch in diameter with numerous long, sharp petals that looked like tenticles on an octopus.
I think if I were to carry a 30 caliber again as a guide I would prefer the 220 Partitons because having to stop a wounded bear from escaping usually means a rear end shot and there penetration is paramount.
If I wanted bear protection, or had to follow a wounded bear I would prefer the 240 Woodleigh.
Both bullets will make the 308, 30-06 or 300 mag a genuine big bear killer. For moose either should do excellent.

Anyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one or is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.

Phil
Let me send You some .308 Failsafes..
AK

had to rewrite - story telling seems abit dramatic. shot one coming in to my duck blind(ha, I'm refering to an interior grizz). carried a Rem 760 .30-06 loaded with factory 220 Partitions. One shot in the neck about 25 ft. worked well. carried that rifle until it wore out. never did buy another pump but shot everything I needed too.

Hey .458
What was your load or at least speed of the 30/06 220 grain bullets?
I carried a .375 H&H in Alaska last year and left my favorite 30/06 at home for that Moose hunt. My '06 has taken all kinds of game for me very reliably and I really wanted to take it on the Moose hunt but my brother was taking a .375 and I just did it too, just in case we had bear trouble I wanted to be able to end it quick. Next trip I may take the '06 with 220 partitions on that Moose hunt, I am very confident that my 30/06 would take a bear down quick if I had too plus it is the most familiar weapon I carry which I think is very important in a crisis situation.

I have been looking into loading the 240 to 250 grain bullets in my 06 for a while now. I would like it for a black bear calling gun. I believe velocities would be around 2600 fps. I was also thinking about trying it im my 300 WM.

Keep this thread going please.

Greg

Since I have only loaded a few boxes of 220 Noslers I don't remember my load data and all my data is out at my lodge. I do remember it came directly from the Nosler manual though.
The load I settled on for the 200 Gr Partition was 59 gr of Norma MRP. In my rifle it gave a little over 2700fps and was quite effective on everything I used it on.

Moose hunting down by Holy cross a couple of years ago a local guy I was with was using 220 factory rounds seemed to be a good 100 yard moose round (open sited rifle). I Like 180 grain Interbonds for bear and moose I have had quite a few pass throughs on both grizz and moose with this load. Shot one grizz in the hip as she ran off broke her hind leg and front shoulder with one shot. Had a hunter using my rifle shoot a grizz with the 180 Interbond broadsided at about 200 yard recoverd the bullet under the hide on the off side retained 172 grains never even took a step after the shot. If I thought all my shots were going to be 100 yards or less I mite pick a 220 or 250 grain bullet. But living in the real world were most of my shots are closer to 200-300 yards I go with 180 grainers and somtimes even 165 grains in the 06.

458
thats a similar, infact the same load i use. useing 59 gns of norma MRP for my brown bear hunt in kamchtaka this year, i shot the bear from behind,WITH THE 200 GN NOSLER, penetration was excellent, bear went 50m and was dead when we got to him
for those that use the 06 keep an eye out on the reloadering forum , collins is posting pressure data on the testing i have done, there is some useful info for the AR members who use the 06 and it takes the 06 to another level
Now that NORMA MRP is avaliable in the U.S.A you guys who use the 06 stock up on this powder , its the best of the best , you get about 2870 fps with the 180 gn proj/ and about 2730 with the 200 gn noslers at pretty reasonable pressures and its one heck of a lot more temp insensative that R 22
regards daniel

I would think that getting these longer, heavier bullets, like the 240, 250 grain wts would lack stabilization in the standard 1-10 twist. Am I wrong? Seems like you're closing in on the point of diminishing return.

I opted for the 180 bullet in my .06 for BBs, while my friend chose the factory 220 Remington. All of my bullets passed through, none of his did. I was shooting the Swift Scriocco. I am not a long time experienced bear hunter or moose hunter, but from a ballistics point of view only, it seems as though the 180 and 200 grain bullets were traveling fast enough to deliver more energy within short distances (under 75 yards) than the bigger bullets, so, I'd say it "hit them harder."

A 220 partition will be nasty medicine for game in Alaska, I was just commenting on these bigger bullets. I have no use for anything over 200 in my .06.

Doc,

I shoot them 240 PP from Wdleigh and out of my rifle and at 100yds 3/4" moa (.30-338 & .06)-- in all calibers that I use and insist as well for my boys to load big and heavy. Them long range shots are not always the best to take and figure when we hunt quietly and with the wind these are perfect for within 100yds. Still have not been able to sucessfully harvest anything but paper with them ... yet.

30-06 Springfield
220gr Partition® *MOST ACCURATE LOAD
Ballistic Coefficient: .351
Sectional Density: .331

Powder: RL-15
Charge Weight (in grains) Muzzle Velocity (fps) Load Density
44.5* 2395 fps 72%
42.5 2312 fps 69%
40.5 2229 fps 65%

Powder: AA3100
Charge Weight (in grains) Muzzle Velocity (fps) Load Density
56.0 2543 fps 90%
54.0 2450 fps 87%
52.0* 2356 fps 84%

Powder: Viht N165
Charge Weight (in grains) Muzzle Velocity (fps) Load Density
56.5 2431 fps 91%
54.5 2354 fps 88%
52.5* 2275 fps 85%

Note the BC of .351 The reality is that at 2500 fps this is not a short range round. Maybe not a 220 swift but..we are talking hunting big game. Certainly a good 300 yard load for anybody who can shoot and judge range.

Phil,
I am with you and those heavy bullets. I know my trajectory in my 30/06 out to 370+ yards with a 200 grain bullet and a 220 grainer. They do not drop as much as one would expect.

Doc,
It is not about shock or expended energy, just how deep that little pill will drive.

We all have stories of how this bullet or that bullet did a great job killing something for us.
It is that case where things are not perfect....
a bear running away or a steep quartering away shot on a big game animal, one where you have to thread the bullet past the ham and try to tuck it up under the last rib. What if you hit the ham? OR worse yet, what if you glance the bullet across the shoulder blade?

The truth is that a heavy high sectional density bullet will always do better in those bad situations.

These days we have choices of premium bullets that drive deep because of controled expension without having to be as heavy. But a little insurance is nice.

I realize i am not telling anyone what they do not already know, or should know.
This is a hot topic for a campfire.
However...

A final analogy for those that have a hard time picturing the effects mentally...

A very large brick wall that is heavily reinforced.....A fiat going 110 mph hits it and a fully loaded Semi Tractor Trailer hits it going 50 mph.

I know where my money is.

By the way Phil, while i did take a 375 H&H this time to Alaska for bears, i wish i would have taken ole Frankenstein, my 30/06.
What lovely scars it would have gotten in its wood and the beauty from aluminum boats against its steel.

Warms my heart thinking of it.

Adam, Can a Fiat go 110? Or is that just auto writer hype?

The Semi vs fiat is a little off a fiat might weigh 2000lbs a fully loaded semi 80000lbs.

So one would have to have a bullet that weights 40 times more then the other one.

It would be more like a fiat vs mid size car or f150 sized pick up. Even then the weight comparisons could be off . Unless one were compareing 110gr 30 cals to 220 gr 30cals.

Phil,
Down hill.

p dog,
just painting a picture of how i see things in the world

i have a browning 1895 06 that just loves 220's

The 200 or 220 nosler pt are fine bullets and I wouldn't hesitate to use them on the biggest brown bear in Alaska in any situation. But then again I'd use a Hornady spire pt too.

o.k. now that we all agree that we like the 200/220 gr. n.p. how about someone chiming in who has actually used it on a larger animal?

With the 200 NP @2700fps I typically got complete penetration on both moose and big bears.

i have used them on elk out to 125 yds with great results.220 round nose hornady.

The most YDs I could get with out adjusting my scope, Shooting the 220gr bullets with my 30/06
25" barrel was 75yds to point of aim. They were going about 2500 fps.

I have used Winchester Silver Tip bullets years ago to take moose with a sporterized Springfield 30-06. A few older hunting friends of mine, also took Brown Bear with the same caliber and Winchester bullet load back in the late 50's.

It was very hard for a blue collar worker to get his hands on a .375H&H and those were out of most hunters price range. Thus the 30-06 did it all with no hic cups.

I used a 180 gr. Nosler Partitions in my .300 WM and it dropped a 300+ lb. black bear (in Alaska) at 240 yards. The first shot knocked him down, he got back up and I hit him again and he was done. Entry wounds were 4" apart. I only recovered one of the bullets as they other one went through. Either of the shots by themselves would have been lethal.

Extremely interesting threads.Refreshing information about the 06 performing as expected.Many of my friends,now passed, were WW2 vets with lots of 06 experience in africa,europe and the far east who returned to hunt all over the US,Alaska,Canada and other parts of the globe.They intoduced me to reloading and hunting with the 06 .The majority of reloading is with Nosler Bullets but I also use some Sierra,Speer & Hornaday Bullets in other calibers.

I notice that everyone is high on Partitions and TSX's bullets, but I have heard complaints on each: Partitions loose the front core and weight so they don't penetrate as well as the TSX's, and when they do they leave a small exit whole; TSX's don't always expand very well unless bone is encountered. How about the Swift A-Frames? Wouldn't they expand well and give nice sized exit holes, even on smaller game and non-bone hits, yet they would still hold together well to penetrate deeply?

yes Brent the Swifts I have used on many calibers are "perfect" mushrooms every time but Noslers are cheaper and work accurately. I've recovered Barnes and the petals do break off, not often as one thinks but the weight still drives thru for a kill. The Grand Slams work just as well and hold up 60% plus on weight retention but again the Noslers were in question.

It goes to say spend on what you want and do the best with what you got--me I spend to assure me a quick kill and the money on a bullet versus fuel cost, food etc... is cheap. You keep velocities down and a Nosler will work and hold up.