Does anybody use 220 gr 3006 and what is the best factory load3006 fo r bears regardless of bullet weight

It's my opinion that bullet weights between 165 to 185 grain are sufficient, for about anything with 4 legs. For Grizzly and larger, the 220 grain might be marginally better. And again, its just my opinion, but the 150 grain should only be used for medium size deer and smaller. I killed a Huge bull Moose with my 06, and was using 185 gr. partitions, and all it took was one well placed shot, just behind the front shoulder.

I've seen no reason to use anything other than the 180 grain tsx.

I used to love the 180 partition until one hunt about 20 years back when I had one literally blow up on a moose shoulder joint at 100 yards. That's a single data point but I over reacted and switched to the 220 partition over 54 grains of I4831. I still have 1K+ and took a nice bear on Kodiak with it.

If I had to do it over I'd hands down go with a 180 TTSX and never look back. It is a better bullet IMHO.

I shot a couple black bears and a lot of hogs with them.

Out of my 06 scout rifle at 2350fps worked well.

If you like them use them.

not in alaska but used core lokt factory 220gr before switching to 200 gr nosler partition but i do prefer now the 180tsx especially if bison is part of the equation and not using the 9.3x62.

a 200 GR. PARTITION WILL OUT PENETRATE A 220 GR PARTITION OR ABOUT ANY 220 GR 30 CAIBER BULLET HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE...a 180 Barnes ttX WILL EQUEL A 200 GR; PARTITION SOMETIMES. BUT THATS A CLOSE CALL. iTS ALL ABOUT BULLET CONSTRUCTION NOT WEIGHT in todays bullets..

This seems like a good conversation to include Phil Shoemaker in.

His call sign here is "458Win"

I did a baited grizzly bear hunt with Jake Jefferson a couple years ago. I took 2 bears----1 was a big black bear & the other was a sow grizzly. I used 220 grain Nolser partitions handloads out my 30/06. The velocity was @ 2300 fps. Shots were right at 100 yards. Both were 1 shot kills. Neither bullets were recovered. The black bear was DRT & the grizzly went about 15 yards before piling up.

I'm going again this June on another hunt with Jake. I'm planning on using either 180 grain round nose Hornady interlocks that's my do everything handload here in the lower 48. I've killed deer, black bear, elk & moose with it. Or 220 grain factory factory loads---either Federal or Remington.

Never tried 220s I shot one deer in the chest at about 50 feet with a 308 165 grain some kind of ex bullet it penetrated clean out the backside. So I was just curious what a 220 would do.

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Originally posted by anukpuk:
Never tried 220s I shot one deer in the chest at about 50 feet with a 308 165 grain some kind of ex bullet it penetrated clean out the backside. So I was just curious what a 220 would do.

I have seen 4 black bears and a lot of hogs shot with 220's.

I have not found penetration to be a problem.

How much do they penetrate, enough for sure.

Each shot, each animal is different.

My son shot two deer seconds apart yesterday. both at about 40 yards.

With 180gr Hornaday's both broad side both complete pass throughs.

One ran feet, the other spraying blood ran about a 100 yards.

220g Corelokts are great out of 30-06. Velocity is under 2500 fps they so real well there. Same with 170g Corelokts out of a 30-30. That being said I've been shooting 150g Partitions at 3000 fps out of my BDL in 270 for 40 years.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
a 200 GR. PARTITION WILL OUT PENETRATE A 220 GR PARTITION OR ABOUT ANY 220 GR 30 CAIBER BULLET HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE...a 180 Barnes ttX WILL EQUEL A 200 GR; PARTITION SOMETIMES. BUT THATS A CLOSE CALL. iTS ALL ABOUT BULLET CONSTRUCTION NOT WEIGHT in todays bullets..

My experience as well

What Ray said. The 200 NP is excellent and shoots almost as flat as the 180 NP. Also as previously suggested the 180 TSX should be the cat's ass for penetration. I'd pick the 200 NP if I had to make a choice as it will turn lungs into tomato soup.

Mark

I live in brown bear ilands 6 deer tag unit and used to shoot 6 ever year been hunting since 60s but only shot 2 at 300 yds the rest from 15 feet to maby a few at 150 yard got me thinking never really needed high velocity

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Originally posted by anukpuk:
I live in brown bear ilands 6 deer tag unit and used to shoot 6 ever year been hunting since 60s but only shot 2 at 300 yds the rest from 15 feet to maby a few at 150 yard got me thinking never really needed high velocity

I have had no trouble using the 220's out to 200 yards from my 18" 06 scout rifle. With a velocity of 2350fps.

Getting an honest 2500 fps with 220 gr bullets from a 30-06 is no problem and I am not aware of any other SOLID bullet from any caliber that penetrates deeper.

I really wish we could still get the 220 gr Solids.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
I really wish we could still get the 220 gr Solids.

they re great in hornay and woodleigh versions i can say.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Getting an honest 2500 fps with 220 gr bullets from a 30-06 is no problem and I am not aware of any other SOLID bullet from any caliber that penetrates deeper.

That weight is bad juju on about everything.

My elk bullet for the last 4 elk has been the Nosler 200 gr. Accubond and one shot kills only one took off and stopped at 25 yards giving me another shot and down it went, but that shot was unneeded..Its a great bullet expands a lot and always an exit, as good on penetration but seems to have a little more internal damage at least so far.. Lets call it a push, with the accubond perhaps a tad more accurate..Hard to say these days with all the good bullets we have its just conversation anymore, not so 50 years ago.

The 220s at 2300 fps will kill no doubt, but they will not out penetrate or shoot as flat as a 180 or 200 gr. Nosler partition according too my tests and others I respect such as Finn Aagard, but to each his own, I doubt it makes any difference as long as the results are going to be the same..a dead whatever if directed in the right spot..

I shoot 220 gr nosler partitions out of my savage 30.06 with 55 gr of reloader 22. I chose the 220 because my rifle liked them better than the 200 gr noslers. I sent a back up shot on a 450 lb north carolina black bear up its back side and it was under the skin on the chest.

The good ol' 30-06 loaded with today's 200 grain premium bullets (pick your poison) at 2650-2700fps, will handle the largest of North American game animals if the hunter does his/her part (proper shot placement). It also will handle all African plains game as well as Leopards and Crocodiles.

There is no doubt that back in day more than a few Lions and Cape Buffalo bit the dust due to the 30-06! Do I dare say probably Elephants, Hippos and Rhinos, too??

The 30-06 is a great cartridge and there is a reason it has been around for 118 years. It just works. I believe the 200-grain bullet is the sweet spot when hunting large, big game as compared to shooting the 220 grain and 180 grain bullets. The average nimrod can usually handle the recoil too. Good stuff.

I have a beautiful JP Sauer & Sons deluxe all original and not even D&T so its range is somewhat limited, Its a 30-06, so I shot 220 Nosler Partition and 220 Woodleigh's. Ive shot some deer and antelope with it some years ago..I wouldn't hesitate to use corelokts in the 06 if I could find them..I used them a lot early on. My scoped 30-06 loves Nosler 200 gr. Accubonds at an honest 2777 fps. I found the 180 gr. WW Power Points to be an excellent all around bullet even today.

Hard to argue or disagree with 458 and his experience.

Just had a play with some 220 Partitions last week in the 06...59 gns of R26 FED 210 primer for a vel of 2600....going by the recoil, it kicks a lot more then when useing my 200 Partitions at 2700
Seems to be one very very powerful load
Daniel

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Originally posted by M 98:
Just had a play with some 220 Partitions last week in the 06...59 gns of R26 FED 210 primer for a vel of 2600....going by the recoil, it kicks a lot more then when useing my 200 Partitions at 2700
Seems to be one very very powerful load
Daniel

The reason for that difference is momentum:the 200gr would need to leave the muzzle at 2860 fps to equal the momentum of the 220gr at 2600 fps. At 2700 fps the 200gr lags behind the 220gr at 2600 fps by 6% in momentum. I'd choose the 220gr at closer ranges over the 200, and have in bait hunting bear using my .300 Wby.

Bob
www.bigbore.ca

These .30-06 threads are one reason I have a Springfield on the way. No home should be without one.
And I am reminded again why you had to take Elmer Keith with a couple of grains of salt.

Just happened to be in town yesterday and there on the sporting goods shelf were boxes of 220 grain Core-Lokt ammo. Didn't know they still made 'em.