The january issue has a very good article by Tom McIntyre on the similarities between Timothy Treadwell and Steve Irwin ( the croc hunter). Also there's a Alaskan bear story that the guide has his hunter walk up to an occupied bear den with a 7mm mag and peer in.

Waterrat,

I no longer have a subscription and was wondering what the article says about their similarites. Personally, I would not place the two in the same category. Sure, they were both crazy as hell, but the difference is that Steve Erwin was experienced and Treadwell was, well, a plain and simple dumbass.

I don't know if I can buy that or not Molar. My contention is that it was only the degree of dumbass each person possessed. Irwin was natural selection looking for a species to finish it. Treadwell only selected one.

You get wisdom through experiences, but the bad experiences give you wisdom only if you survive them. In both cases here, wisdom lost.

Both of their deaths, along with the other man who was killed by a stingray just a week or two after Steve Irwin should be enough for idiots to wake up and realize that wild animals are just that, wild animals.
But Im sure there is no chance of that as Ron White say "You Can't Fix Stupid."

The bear story about Max Schwab was interesting to me.. as I hunted with Max this Sept for Dall sheep. In my opinion, the bear story was a few years old, as the "Max" pictured in the magazine was some younger than the "Max" I hunted with.. Les

What I dislike and disaprove most strongly to the self pramoting antics of the likes of Irwin and Treadwell is that thay make what are POTENTALLY extreamly dangerous animals out to be only slightly more dangerous to you than your average house hold Lab.

Truth is both of these shmucks spent their entire interactions with animals, sending quite disterbing messages (like dangaling his small son above a tank full of salties) to the people who watched them that large potentally dangerous animals, especially predators like salt water crocs and brown bears as posing little or no threat to man what so ever, under any cerconstances.

Now I know that brown bears are not evil predetors hell bent on killing and eating every person thay come across and even though salt water crocodiles are one of, if not THE most feared man killers in Austraila, neither one poeses as big a threat to the average human as his fellow human does, none the less, thay should never be treated all most like pets as Irwin and Treadwell did. I would have LOVED to see Irwin go out in the wild, and walk up to a hungry saltie and play the games with it he did with the well fead ones he played with in the zoos.

The truth is if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and worse, act the wrong way when you encounter a large predator like a brown bear or much worse a salti and they happen to be hungy or in the case of a sow, with cubs, you could find youself having an all expences paid tour of their lower GI.

Irwin and Treadwell got exactly what thay had comming. Thay played the odds and the odds finally cought up with them both. Im sure though Irwin NEVER thought in his wildest dreams he buy the farm from as borring an animal as a sting ray.

Its kinda like these guys who dive with white sharks while OUTSIDE of the shark cages. Id like to see them do that while treading water at the surface.

With out a doubt George ,,,the most profound thing you have written to date......I agree....Did anyone see the news confrence with his kid The little pixi with the accent... The E Wacos are relly working that for all they can....Talk about brain washed Ignorance...............The next thousand year old tree I fall I,ll put a board on the stump in memory of the wrong thinking cull who would put a kid up to makeing such stupid statements ........................