Just watched Grizzly Man again after many years. Man he was nuts but got some great bear footage. My Alaska buddies said he was not very well liked for obvious reasons (disrupting hunts) but he sure met a “Grizzly” end. Feel bad for the girlfriend though.....

Google the short spoof titled Grizzly Bear Man

It succinctly sums up the absurdity of the Treadwell fiasco in five minutes.

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Man he was nuts but got some great bear footage

None worth being eaten.

A thought to share with the next bunny and bear hugger you run into. Timothy Treadwell and his copycats have been responsible for more bear deaths than even an avid bear hunter.

I really have no sympathy for people like that.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
I really have no sympathy for people like that.

I do.
Treadwell made some mistakes. Real, serious and life ending mistakes. Treadwell was wrong in thought and deed. I mean, he thought he was protecting bears in a federal park!

No he wasn't, the federal rangers do that quite nicely and I'm aware of very little poaching pressure where he camped.
But, Treadwell was earnest and at least driven.
True, kinda like the Taliban.
I wish Treadwell wasn't so will fully misinformed and alive today.

As ignorant as Tredwell was about wild animal behavior, after 13 years of pulling his shenanigans he did a pretty good job of proving that most bears are not out to get you, but only wish to be left alone

Had he tried any of his singing and loveydovey crap in front of any biker bar he would have been dead the first year !

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As ignorant as Tredwell was about wild animal behavior, after 13 years of pulling his shenanigans he did a pretty good job of proving that most bears are not out to get you, but only wish to be left alone

I am sure he read books, watched movies that said bears are fuzzy fury forest critters.

That well not bother you unless you bother them

Then he ran into one that didn't read the manual or watched the movie.

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Treadwell made some mistakes. Real, serious and life ending mistakes. Treadwell was wrong in thought and deed. I mean, he thought he was protecting bears in a federal park!

Yep, and that is why I have no sympathy for him. But, I am sure that God will sort it out with him and his girlfriend. Of the two, I did have some sympathy for her, especially the way that she died, while trusting Treadwell's ' Real, serious and life ending mistakes'.


Here's what Wikipedia says, in part, about Timothy William Dexter(aka Tredwell):

Conflicts with the National Park Service

Treadwell's years with the grizzlies were not without disruption. Almost from the start, the National Park Service expressed their worries about his behavior. The Park's restrictions made him increasingly irate. According to the file kept on Treadwell by the Park Service, rangers reported he had at least six violations from 1994 to 2003. Included among these violations were guiding tourists without a license, camping in the same area longer than the Park Service's seven-day limit, improper food storage, wildlife harassment, and conflicts with visitors and their guides. Treadwell also frustrated authorities by refusing to install an electric fence around his camp and refusing to carry bear spray to use as a deterrent. In fact, Treadwell had carried pepper spray with him and had resorted to using it at least one time, but wrote that he had felt terrible grief over the pain he perceived it had caused the bear and refused to use it on subsequent occasions.[9]

In 1998, park rangers issued Treadwell a citation for storing an ice chest filled with food in his tent. A separate incident involved rangers ordering him to remove a prohibited portable generator. When the Park Service imposed a new rule—often referred to as the "Treadwell Rule"—requiring all campers to move their camps at least one mile (1.6 km) every seven days, Treadwell initially obeyed the order by using a small motorboat to move his camp up and down the coast. Finding this method impractical, he later hid his camp from the Park Service in stands of trees with heavy brush. He was cited at least once for this violation.[citation needed]

Death

In October 2003, Treadwell and his girlfriend, physician assistant Amie Huguenard (born October 23, 1965, in Buffalo, New York), visited Katmai National Park, which is on the Alaska Peninsula across Shelikof Strait from Kodiak Island. In Grizzly Man, Werner Herzog states that according to Treadwell's diaries, Huguenard feared bears and felt deeply uncomfortable in their presence. Her final journal entries indicated that she wanted to be away from Katmai.[10] Treadwell chose to set his campsite near a salmon stream where grizzlies commonly feed in autumn. Treadwell was in the park later in the year than usual,[2] at a time when bears attempt to gain as much fat as possible before winter. Food was scarce that fall, causing the grizzly bears to be even more aggressive than usual.[11]

Treadwell was to leave the park at his usual time of year but extended his stay a week in an effort to locate a favorite female brown bear. He said he hated modern civilization and felt better in nature with the bears than he did in big cities around humans. The bears he had been used to during the summer had already gone into hibernation, and bears that Treadwell did not know from other parts of the park were moving into the area. Some of the last footage taken by Treadwell, hours before his death, includes video of a bear diving into the river repeatedly for a piece of dead salmon. Treadwell mentioned in the footage that he did not feel entirely comfortable around that particular bear. In Grizzly Man, Herzog posits that Treadwell may have filmed the very bear that killed him.[2]


Diagram of attack site showing positions of bodies. Longitude incorrectly marked as East rather than West. 58°14′50.63″N 154°15′24.68″W


Around noon on Sunday, October 5, 2003, Treadwell spoke with an associate in Malibu, California, by satellite phone; Treadwell mentioned no problems with any bears. The next day, October 6, Willy Fulton, a Kodiak air taxi pilot, arrived at Treadwell and Huguenard's campsite to pick them up but found the area abandoned, except for a bear, and contacted the local park rangers. The couple's mangled remains were discovered quickly upon investigation. Treadwell's disfigured head, partial spine, and right forearm and hand, with his wristwatch still on, were recovered a short distance from the camp. Huguenard's partial remains were found next to the torn and collapsed tents, partially buried in a mound of twigs and dirt. A large male grizzly (tagged Bear 141) protecting the campsite was killed by park rangers during their attempt to retrieve the bodies. A second adolescent bear was also killed a short time later, when it charged the park rangers. An on-site necropsy of Bear 141 revealed human body parts such as fingers and limbs. The younger bear was consumed by other animals before it could be necropsied.[citation needed] In the 85-year history of Katmai National Park, this was the first known incident of a person being killed by a bear.[12]

A video camera was recovered at the site that proved to have been operating during the attack, but police said that the six-minute tape contained only voices and cries as a brown bear mauled Treadwell to death. The tape begins with Treadwell yelling that he is being attacked. "Come out here; I'm being killed out here," he screams. [13] That the tape contained only sound led troopers to believe the attack might have happened while the camera was stuffed in a duffel bag or during the dark of night. In Grizzly Man,[2] filmmaker Herzog claims that the lens cap of the camera was left on, suggesting that Treadwell and Huguenard were in the process of setting up for another video sequence when the attack happened. The camera had been turned on just before the attack, presumably by sound activation, but the camera recorded only six minutes of audio before running out of tape. This, however, was enough time to record the bear's initial attack on Treadwell and his agonized screams, its retreat after Huguenard tells Treadwell to play dead and when she attacked it and its return to carry Treadwell off into the forest.[5][12]

Cleansing of the Gene pool! He should be charged posthumously, with murder for taking the girl with him.
Idiot!!

I will thanks.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Google the short spoof titled Grizzly Bear Man

It succinctly sums up the absurdity of the Treadwell fiasco in five minutes.

I think he was a misguided, somewhat disturbed individual. He didn't deserve that death but he certainly invited it. Feel more badly for the woman that was with him.

Watched it during lunch that is some funny stuff right there!

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I will thanks.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Google the short spoof titled Grizzly Bear Man

It succinctly sums up the absurdity of the Treadwell fiasco in five minutes.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
I think he was a misguided, somewhat disturbed individual. He didn't deserve that death but he certainly invited it. Feel more badly for the woman that was with him.

Sort of skydiving without a parachute.
I'd of strongly preferred that someone knowledgeable that he respected would of gotten to him and helped him re direct his passion and motivation.
I'd agree that Alaskan wildlife or generally American wild places need protection and defending, I think in his case he was more than a bit off base.

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Just watched Grizzly Man again after many years. Man he was nuts but got some great bear footage. My Alaska buddies said he was not very well liked for obvious reasons (disrupting hunts) but he sure met a “Grizzly” end. Feel bad for the girlfriend though.....

She chose to be with an idiot. “Life is tough and it’s even tougher if you are stupid” John Wayne.

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Just watched Grizzly Man again after many years. Man he was nuts but got some great bear footage. My Alaska buddies said he was not very well liked for obvious reasons (disrupting hunts) but he sure met a “Grizzly” end. Feel bad for the girlfriend though.....

Timothy Treadwell was a typical anti hunting know it all, that actually knew absolutely nothing about bears, and got exactly what we expected he would. The biggest sorry outcome of his folly was the death of the girl who also thought he knew what he was doing.
I guess I should say stupid can't be cured, but it is bad that he took the girl with him to the bear lunch counter!

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Timothy Treadwell was a typical anti hunting know it all, that actually knew absolutely nothing about bears, and got exactly what we expected he would.

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In that respect he was like many who post on these forums

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In that respect he was like many who post on these forums

I wonder if the grizzly ate his pet gerbil “Scratchy” too. Treadwell was a “ Gerbil Rancher” if I ever saw one: the lisp, the flamboyant speech, the frequent mention of NOT being gay, a subject he always raised when interviewed. I feel sorry for the young lady who died with him, but if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

Good one Phil...

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by MacD37


Timothy Treadwell was a typical anti hunting know it all, that actually knew absolutely nothing about bears, and got exactly what we expected he would.

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In that respect he was like many who post on these forums

I thought Treadwell died years ago, but he apparently is immortal on the internet. These threads never stop coming.

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Originally posted by MacD37


Timothy Treadwell was a typical anti hunting know it all, that actually knew absolutely nothing about bears, and got exactly what we expected he would.

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In that respect he was like many who post on these forums

Timothy Treadwell...

Probably related to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Both have/had I.Q.’s somewhere between their age and shoe size.

I had never really read an account of how they died. Chilling!

Mark

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In that respect he was like many who post on these forums

Of course that would include none who thought that was a smart remark!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

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I had never really read an account of how they died. Chilling!

Mark

Mark, our homestead is not far from where Treadwell was eaten and we know the troopers and park rangers who were involved and have heard their stories. The trooper stopped by our place after the incident and had listened to the tape. he said it was disturbing and wouldn't recommend anyone listening to it.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
I had never really read an account of how they died. Chilling!

Mark

Mark, our homestead is not far from where Treadwell was eaten and we know the troopers and park rangers who were involved and have heard their stories. The trooper stopped by our place after the incident and had listened to the tape. he said it was disturbing and wouldn't recommend anyone listening to it.

Some things are better left unseen, and unheard. A few years ago an acquaintance of mine was mauled by a bear, which removed his face. I was the first person, other than the man's son, to see him. It was the most horrific thing I've ever seen, I wouldn't wish anybody having to see that.

I guess for me that stuff isn’t as big of a deal. Our bodies are soft and get destroyed fairly easily when we involve nature as an assailant. But I know some
Who can’t handle the sight of blood from a Bloody nose and then there’s fireman and paramedics who cut people outa crashed cars everyday....

I have seen a lot of dead bodies and a lot of badly hurt people in 33 years as a LEO.

Your right vehicle crashes can and do cause horrible injuries.

Maybe that is why when I listen to the tape of Treadwell.

All I could say was I bet he wished for a firearm then.

Treadwell chose not to even carry bear spray because he claimed he would never cause harm to a bear.
From the reports I have heard from those who did listen to the tapes, you might say he had second thoughts on the wisdom of that
And Amy , although screaming like a predator call, chose not to abandon him.

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And Amy , although screaming like a predator call, chose not to abandon him.

I noticed more then once young children playing sounding like young prey animals.

When our kids were real small we had a remote camp along the Alaskan/Yukon border on the Arctic circle and we had to keep a watchful eye on them as black bears would sit at the edge of the timber and watch them intently

Read the book "Grizzly Maze" to find out what the Alaskan bush pilot thought of him.

As I remember, he thought the reason Treadwell lasted as long as he did, was because the bears thought he was not right in the head.

What was the real tragedy was the ignorant girlfriend who bought into his BS and died a horrible death because of his dogma.

He was nothing more than a "snake oil" salesman who thought he was above the laws of nature.

Good riddance, IMO, Darwinism at work.

BH63