Gents:

What do you all think the appropriate price for the LH 375 should have been to sell more rifles? In other words, at what price would you have been in line with your cc out?

Under a thousand. They look like ass in my opinion. Safety, bolt handle and the stock trimmed up and then it may be something.

About $20 more than the RH config!

Had they priced them accordingly, up to this point & time, I would have bought 3. Since they came out thats how many I have had built on competitor actions/guns.

Like mentioned above, they need some work to be real good, but I think most folks know that.

But I highly doubt we'll see a drop on the next run....so I guess I'll keep building with others.

With CNC machining, there isn't that much additional expense required to machine the action for a lefty.

I would allow up to a 10% differential, although Savage does not charge extra for left-hand configurations.

Anything above that is gouging.

George

Don't see why they should be priced any differently than a right hand rifle. Same amount of materials and time to make. If they are worried about them not selling offer them on a ordering basis.

Agree with Zola, under 1K and I would own at least one. If they made one in stainless would own a couple and use one for a rebarreling project.

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:
With CNC machining, there isn't that much additional expense required to machine the action for a lefty.

I would allow up to a 10% differential, although Savage does not charge extra for left-hand configurations.

Anything above that is gouging.

George

+1 George,
gouging is exactly what CZ is doing, tells you alot about a company.

I haven't kept track of rifle costs recently; I think I have every rifle I will ever need, plus a few more.

What is MSRP for a left-hand CZ 550?

George

George IIRC they were/are $1600-$1800

That's a bit high, but not too bad considering they are the only LH CRF rifle available in .375H&H.

If Winchester were selling LH M-70s, I think CZ would have to rethink their price point.

One can always look for a LH Ruger Hawkeye in .375 Ruger and have a field-ready rifle.

George

Yes, but it ain't a .375 H&H!

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Originally posted by cmfic1:
George IIRC they were/are $1600-$1800

I agree, CZ is putting it to the LH users, BUT
I don't see them sitting on shelves begging to be bought. Either I have been blind or there was a buyers demand at the asking prices.

would anyone pay 1300?

"would anyone pay 1300?"

Maybe with a model 70 style safety.

me too. i just don't get cz!

You guys need to contact a good machine shop and ask them how expensive it is to write code, make a thousand corrections as you build prototypes one at a time and then throw them away. A left hand bolt action rifle is not a dyslexic right hand one. It's a whole new thing to do. It ranks right up there with converting a LH automobile to RH drive. Everything has to be rethought and redone. I saw a new 2010 Dodge 2500 Cummins in Pretoria in April. A hundred and fourteen thousand dollars and some change. Cost of conversion to RH steering doubled the price.

New stock pattern, new follower, everything but the sights and barrel band is different. I spent a couple hours with Wayne at AHR at the machine shop where his safeties are made. The machinist made a couple of tenths adjustment to the CNC mill and made a part. They fiddled with it, miked it, made an adjustment, and made another one. Fiddled with it, made an adjustment, and made another one. That went on for more than two hours.

It's just a lot harder and more expensive than we all think. I'd love to see them at the same price.

Rich
DRSS

I worked for many years in aerospace machining and quite frankly very few people write their own code anymore. They use programs like Mastercam and many others to design the part and to automatically write the code. Nearly all of these programs has a mirror image feature which makes switching the code for a RH action to a LH action as easy as 1 keystroke.
Fixturing may require a modification or it may not.
There is really no excuse for charging a large premium for a LH rifle anymore other than they know they have a captive consumer base with few competitive choices.

that was always my guess. if they were more reasonably priced cz would already be backlogged.

What if y'all just be tickled that such a thing exists? Nobody else is doing much for southpaws these days, if y'all haven't noticed.

Ten grand for a basic Plains Game hunt in Africa.
Eight hundred dollars more for a 375 with the knob on the other side.

Don't buy one until CZ lowers the price to a level that suits you. Of course, if enough people do that next year you can gripe because they dropped them.

Rich
DRSS

nsaqam,

maybe in aerospace industries they do that; but that's because taxpayers are footing the bill.
At Reno this year CZ said the first one off the assembly line cost a quarter of a million dollars.

Rich
DRSS

No Rich, maybe in some aerospace machining firms that's the case but in the ones I worked at we made parts for private general aviation aircraft and not for Gov't contracts primarily.

Besides that, what does who is footing the bill have to do with CAD/CAM and the simplicity of mirror image?

If CZ spent that much I'd think they were the ones with the exorbinant Gov't contract.

The premium on the recent LH 452's and 527's was never as large percentagewise as that on the 550's.
Is there that much less work on a 527 than there is on a 550?

Ruger charges no premium for the LH Hawkeye African. Is Ruger losing money on every LH African they sell?

of course ruger has been set up for making lh molds for a looong time. i think it's just price gouging on cz's part.

the cz i just had trimmed up and re-shaped it still pretty big. i should either have it re-bored or just sell it. i think the m70 is a better platform for the 375 and i'm perfectly ok with 3+1.

nsaqam,

I think ruger prices them to try and gain market share.

Rich
DRSS

in other words rich, ruger understands business!

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
in other words rich, ruger understands business!

Yup, just wished they would offer more lefties on a semi custom basis.

no kidding, randy.

either that or the company has been totally taken over by the bean counters and volume is the mantra. That is evident in the fubar known as the 375 Ruger.

Rich
DRSS

Managed to snag one of these rifles from First Stop Guns in ND and it is due at my dealers today. You can see the rifle if you go to there web site:
http://www.firststopguns.com/

Click on gun classifieds and then scroll down. For some reason when I tried posting the url it said invalid. Maybe I was lucky with the price but maybe CZ finally got smart and lowered the prices (I hope).
Really do not see it as replacing my Ruger Alaskan at this point because it has grown to be my favorite 375 hunting rifle for Alaska due to it's short barrel and being made of stainless steel. Bedded in the McMillan stock it is about weather proof as they come.

Plans for the CZ will most likely involve rechambering it to 375 Wby. Have to admit the idea of carrying a 375 that holds five down is a great confidence builder. The 550 action would also be a great price to start either a 416 Rigby or 505 Gibbs if one is desired.

First Stop is a quality shop. Ordered all my Coopers from them and they are top notch in all reguards. Mark has always given me very good pricing and a man of his word. He always seems to have a fair selection of left hand rifles as well.

CZ LH .375H&H


George

Thanks George,
I am better with rifles than with computers

I work with computers for a living, so I have a bit of an advantage.

The fact that the seller took pictures from every angle EXCEPT the one that shows it is a left-hand action had me shaking my head.

George

Rifle is nicer in person than the pictures show which makes me very happy. Ordered some Warne rings and a Sightron 3x9 Big Sky scope for it so can't issue a first hand shooting report just yet.

On a side note contacted CZ's custom order department and they told me they would make a Field Grade lefty in 458 Lott for the low low price of only $2,600! (might of been $2,699 since I discarded the email).

Contacted them back asking why the same rifle could be purchased for about $1,200 or less at the retail level and why did they feel the need to gouge left handers and of course, they have not responded.

So the rumors are true, they will build you anything you want on the .532 bolt face, provided you want to pay at least double over the same rifle in right hand.

What a bunch of crap from CZ!

They are already setup to produce LH actions with a .532" boltface yet they feel it appropriate to still gouge lefthanders for even more than their already inflated LH rifle prices.
I'm going to have to rethink my planned purchase of a LH CZ452 American. That won't hurt CZ but it will make me feel better.

CZ USA is under no obligation to price their goods 'fairly'. They will charge what the market will bear.

Left-handed gun buyer are under no obligation to purchase CZ rifles, and should take every opportunity to remind CZ USA why the LH rifles aren't selling.

George