Dear Mr. Powell,

We send you our price for the following:

- Sporting rifle M-70 cal. 375 H&H and cal. 458 Win Mag LEFT - - - 650.00 USD/pcs

Parity: FCA Belgrade Airport

Payment: 50% in advance; 50% before delivery

Time of delivery: 45 days after receipt of the advance payment.

Please be so kind to send us more information about your firm.


Best regards

Svetozar Crnogorac
Marketing Manager

ZASTAVA ORUZJE AD
tel: +381 11 3220 154
fax: +381 11 3224 679
mob. +381 65 8 361 619
impex@zastava-arms.rs
www.zastava-arms.co.rs



Gents,
I inquired as to a 50 unit price.

This for the parties that would like to put together a group buy.

The phone numbers are there, go get em.

I'll take 1 in 458 if you can swing the deal. For $650.00...

Not sure if lessor buy would qualify for the quoted price, but a phone call from serious money would find out!!!!!!!!

Roger QSL

Well I hope someone can do this.

I'm in for a LH 458 Win mag also.

I'm thinking I'll need some actual particulars concerning the FCA before committing to anything such as a purchase !.

Sounds doubtful those units are going to be $650.00 per !!!.


A trade term requiring the seller to deliver goods to a named airport, terminal, or other place where the carrier operates. Costs for transportation and risk of loss transfer to the buyer after delivery to the carrier .

When used in trade terms, the word "free" means the seller has an obligation to deliver goods to a named place for transfer to a carrier.

Free Carrier - FCA

Contracts involving international transportation often contain abbreviated trade terms that describe matters such as the time and place of delivery and payment, when the risk of loss shifts from the seller to the buyer, and who pays the costs of freight and insurance.
The most commonly known trade terms are Incoterms, which are published by the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC). These are often identical in form to domestic terms, such as the American Uniform Commercial Code, but have different meanings. As a result, parties to a contract must expressly indicate the governing law of their terms.

It's important to realize that because this is a legal term, its exact definition is much more complicated and differs by country. It is recommend that you contact an international trade lawyer before using any trade term.

I'm all for another stab at it since the US guy is a Grade A tool. However, a 7x57 and a 9.3x62 would really stoke some interest here!

Doc,

Make a phone call, the numbers are there.

I'm sure shipping, insurance, FFL receiving points, are all very important in a transaction such as this. BUT, THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBERS ARE THERE FOR A DOOR OPENING.
Not like the previous exchanges.

Just trying to help.

Roger

Roger,

this name is not new (only on the public side now) but the problem now we face : you re talking about 650 usd leaving the factory in Serbia. but then you need to add shippings, customs,taxes, brokers (unless someone want to that for free), ffl (again is someone willing to make it free), and shipping to the terminal buyer.

i predict now the rifle will be at least 1000 usd in the terminal buyer home.

im surprised they re offering that price when you see what is the price for a RH 458 win mag.

so that s mean they re selling at the price the US importer suggested to sell the RH 375 and 458 ....

it s a good start to work on but again we re far from a bargain.

i can get a 7x64 LH from europe (from a dealer without discussion for 700€) so that s mean they re closely selling at good price to us but the travel will be very expensive to us ...

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Doc,

Make a phone call, the numbers are there.

I'm sure shipping, insurance, FFL receiving points, are all very important in a transaction such as this. BUT, THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBERS ARE THERE FOR A DOOR OPENING.
Not like the previous exchanges.

Just trying to help.

Roger

An believe me Roger I'm grateful for any help !.

Problem is my FFL Guy won't touch it or rather CAN'T touch it !. He's a fully licensed FFL Dealer and Transfer ,he informs me he's not an Importer and that's another matter all together ! ??.

As medved says Brokers customs shipping an Insurance can add up quickly . As I once upon a time was a hardwood purveyor on 5 continents and shipped hundreds of containers . However that was a Long time ago ,when the vast majority of the World behaved it's self and paper work was a matter of formality . Point is some were a breeze and others reminiscent of a Spanish Inquisition !!!.

Now with the current administration, Homeland an ATF , Not to mention brokerage and customs fees shipping and insurance !!! ???

Why is it ZASTAVA doesn't have a U S Importer any more ?.

they do - cdnn. follow the thread i started when i tried doing this earlier this year. the guy was a horse's ass about the whole business.

jsl3170 Are you absolutely sure their still a Legitimate importer of Zastava ?. I see NO Mention of them being an importer of Zastava !.

According too my sources Remington Arms had them under contract work and after the outfit in FL and PA quit handling anything from them , Zippo nada nothing zero !.

Because if someone is already importing their products , What in the Hell are we doing trying to make a purchase from the factory for ???.

Doc,

why we re trying to get lh zastava ???

because the north american importers (Canadian and USA) dont want to import left hand actions as simple is it ???!!!!

Remington is no more dealing with Zastava ...

the factory seeing the askings and requests are trying to get money from us nothing bad but they re just delivering them up to Beograd airport then the fees will increase the price.

the factory is able to make and sell them, the importers dont want to do so the only choices is making importation for this stuff but what is available at 650 usd is not worthwhile at 1000 $ or over.

doc,

a couple of months ago when this was all going down, CDNN was the outfit in FL who was the US Importer. I haven't looked at the issue since then until now so not sure what the skinny may be.

I thought that EAAcorp was the importer of the Zastava line.

i have seen them linked together but, looking back i think eaa corp is where the guys' emails were coming from. yup, eaa corp. thanks, frank.

https://picasaweb.google.com/l...mJPk?feat=directlink

IS THIS THE RIFLE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

This does not appear to be the same gun Remington sold as the 798.

Zastava has a complete list of calibers this gun can be had in.

_________________________________________________________________________________

Calibre
Capacity (rds) Weight (kg) Barrel length (mm) Twist rate (mm) Number of grooves Length (mm)
.22-250 Rem 5+1 3.5 600 360 6 1145
6mm Rem 5+1 3.5 600 230 4 1145
6.5x57 5+1 3.5 600 200 4 1145
7x57 5+1 3.5 600 220 4 1145
8x57 JS 5+1 3.5 600 240 4 1145
6.5x55 SE 5+1 3.5 600 230 6 1145
.270 Win 5+1 3.5 600 250 4 1145
7x64 5+1 3.5 600 220 4 1145
.30-06 Spring. 5+1 3.5 600 250 4 1145
.25-06 5+1 3.5 600 254 4 1145
.243 Win 4+1 3.5 600 250 4 1145
.308 Win 4+1 3.5 600 300 4 1145
.264 Win Mag 3+1 3.5 600 230 6 1145
7mm Rem Mag 3+1 3.5 600 260 6 1145
.300 Win Mag 3+1 3.5 600 250 6 1145
.375 H&H 3+1 3.9 600 355 6 1145
.458 Win Mag 3+1 3.9 600 355 6 1145
9.3x62 5+1 3.5 600 360 4 1145


Would the availability of these other calibers make it worth while to offer this line of LEFT-HANDED rifles.

Roger

Its sad that this topic continues to run in circles and always ends with EAA being the problem. I like many others have tried to work out a program to bring these into the country. My attempts ended the same as all the others....cant get around EAA. One way to get these guns is to find a dealer overseas that has them in stock and import them from that dealer. That will cost a lot of money....but can be done. These guns have shown up in Australia in the LH version. Maybe some day the guy running EAA will pull his head out and offer some customer service.

Roscoe,

this is the only way and i agree.

i have one source but it s in France so no 7x57 nor 30-06 or 6,5x55SE and the price is from 740 to 850€ starting from France so up to now not worth it.

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cant get around EAA

Isn't the problem / it's actually Zastava which is the problem !.

I wanted to follow up on my comment regarding Zastava .

It is my clear understanding NO USA distributor is or will be handling anything from Zastava ,once a few Z5 and Z98 are gone they're gone .


I apologize for not responding sooner to your email. Here is the information from the Buyer. The only Zastava rifles that they have imported recently were the Z5 and the Z98 (both still listed on their website) but these will no longer be imported either for lack of market demand in the US. However, last week they still had a few of these in stock .

If you should need further assistance or information regarding any of our distributors , please feel free to contact me at my e mail address or phone number below . Thank You Sincerely Diane ...

i may have a possibility to get some so i need to know which model and calibers ... then we ll see if it s viable and worth it ...

all the best.

Yes please in 7 x 57

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Originally posted by medved:
i may have a possibility to get some so i need to know which model and calibers ... then we ll see if it s viable and worth it ...

all the best.

A 458 Win preferably but I'd take a 375 H&H if it was all I could get.

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i may have a possibility to get some so i need to know which model and calibers ... then we ll see if it s viable and worth it ...

all the best.

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why we re trying to get lh zastava ???

because the north american importers (Canadian and USA) dont want to import left hand actions as simple is it ???!!!!

Remington is no more dealing with Zastava ...

the factory seeing the askings and requests are trying to get money from us nothing bad but they re just delivering them up to Beograd airport then the fees will increase the price.

the factory is able to make and sell them, the importers dont want to do so the only choices is making importation for this stuff but what is available at 650 usd is not worthwhile at 1000 $ or over.

I'm confused LH or RH a sale is a sale especially in tougher economic times . There must be something more to this Zastava import predicament than meets our postings . I've never heard of an importer not willing to make sales based on action orientation preferences ?. An our member put up an international letter of credit,in the bank of their choosing for a 50 run committed order and they refused to give firm details ,so he withdrew the offer . There are far more left handed shooters than manufactures realize . I believe it's why Savage Tikka and others sales are Brisk .

Please don't be offended but I'd like to see what your able to come up with , Before making another list .
Seems there's multiple threads related to this LH Zastava business and already several lists

I'll explain ; I've been looking in on this forum for a number of years before finally deciding to join .
I know several of the members here by other aliases on other sites , it's how I came to look in .
One of your members in particular is on a technical committee of another site ,he accomplished a number of things for us and informed us of this project in particular . Unfortunately he was unable to secure a purchase ,as he put it Zatava became the problem .Curious as I've seen nothing posted by him here , Perhaps he's on vacation or away ? I'll try contacting him over in Snipers Hide.

PbNinja,

i dont know you nor your feedback but it s not because you know how to do business that other countries are doing the same way ...

im coming from the north of this ex-country before the wars that came in the 90s and 2000s.

they re still in the communist or socialist mood but maybe you dont know what it means.

im not trying to steal the ideas from any people here and before posting other infos i contacted jsl3170 so there is no list or another new one but for the moment we re trying to figure how to get those rifles coming to north america because what you ve seen is the factory offering just delivered to Beograd airport then after deal with it ...

i have no interests inside and i can get for myself those rifles so if there is any conflict or un-undertandable i will continue on my own for myself but i dont want any fights especially here ..

i must add if you think you can deal with the US importer of Zastava and explain them how to deal with the market feel free to ask them but some has tried before and they didnt get any real answers ...

maybe you are not aware but Zastava wont have for 2012 an importer in USA so if you want to be the one ....!!!

all the best.

ps : i must add it s not because we want left hand rifles that we can get them ... try to get a tikka T3 in 6,5x55 in left hand ... guess what Beretta USA dont want but i was able to get in Canada so there is never a single easy answer in the business of lefty rifle ... there is not a huge market and numbers is what make money ....

Regarding the reluctance of Zastava (or its importer), I am as commercial as anyone here, having been an international business lawyer for decades, but it is necessary to understand the politics. Zastava is in Serbia, where even today there is great hatred of NATO countries for having fought there. Many Serbs, wisely or not, do not want to do business with such countries for that reason. Serbs do recognize, per a recent CNN report, that this hurts their economy, particularly their arms trade, but many do not care. This animosity goes way beyond being a former Communist country.

Maybe patient importers like Remington can work out deals with Zastava, but it does not surprise me that ad hoc arrangements like the ones here do not get a good response.

That said, I still would like to participate in a group buy of LH CRF mauser action models for a reasonable price if it ever becomes possible. Any or all of 375, 458 or 9.3 for a start. Yes, I work in Japan, but my FFL holder is ready to take delivery for me in the US, where I am planning my hunts.

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Originally posted by Anjin:
Regarding the reluctance of Zastava (or its importer), I am as commercial as anyone here, having been an international business lawyer for decades, but it is necessary to understand the politics. Zastava is in Serbia, where even today there is great hatred of NATO countries for having fought there. Many Serbs, wisely or not, do not want to do business with such countries for that reason. Serbs do recognize, per a recent CNN report, that this hurts their economy, particularly their arms trade, but many do not care. This animosity goes way beyond being a former Communist country.

Maybe patient importers like Remington can work out deals with Zastava, but it does not surprise me that ad hoc arrangements like the ones here do not get a good response.

That said, I still would like to participate in a group buy of LH CRF mauser action models for a reasonable price if it ever becomes possible. Any or all of 375, 458 or 9.3 for a start. Yes, I work in Japan, but my FFL holder is ready to take delivery for me in the US, where I am planning my hunts.

Anjin,

i didnt want to explain the part on Nato issues. im coming from the northern part of ex-Yugoslavija and that s it true but i ll tell you that the hate existed before the wars and it was at that time due to the political mind, then the wars of course did expand the hate that was already there.

but for the moment the problem is getting the zastava up to here and seems not easy task as the last infos i had was not reseller can export to USA or Canada as a end of user contract that Zastava is asking the importers to sign, so this is still on process but doubt Remington will show up on that one they cancelled doing business with Zastava ..

keep our fingers crossed on that one and im working on it.

all the best.

Interesting. I know a little about end user certificates, but I was not aware that any Eastern European countries required them for shipments to the US or Canada. That would make it tougher, obviously.

Japan, where I work, has such restrictions on military use items, but enforcement is not very effective, it seems, when one considers what ends up in North Korea.

Zastava is NOT interested in producing sporting Rifles of left hand manufacture and currently is limited to very few sporting makes period . It Seems their goal is now geared toward Military armament .
A primary consideration Remington disassociated it's self with them ,they were becoming more and more undependable for delivery !.

Whether any of you know me or not , I know several of You ...

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Whether any of you know me or not , I know several of You ...

WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO EXPLAIN THIS POST!

Roger

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Originally posted by QSL:

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Whether any of you know me or not , I know several of You ...

WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO EXPLAIN THIS POST!

Roger

Lead ninja used to be someone else and came back under a new name.

still down for a .375 lefty. If anyone is counting

Is there anyone out there that has an idea as to what it actually costs to manufacture a rifle at Zastava?

QSL

I would think that if you could actually get a large order together, meaning having the money in hand, you could go to an american manufacturer and have them made for you.

The largest problem with any deal like that is risk.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
I would think that if you could actually get a large order together, meaning having the money in hand, you could go to an american manufacturer and have them made for you.

The largest problem with any deal like that is risk.

The merits of the deal sought in this thread are 1) real Mauser design forged steel actions in LH and 2) modest price. Also, several different calibers. The downsides are reportedly fairly rough metal work and, as you say, risk.

That being the case, if a deal could be put together, there are many of us who would commit, including me. The actions alone would be a fine basis for good custom rifles in LH.

Continuing this thread -

I noticed on the Beretta Australia web pages that left handed Zastava rifles were obtainable there!

Beretta Australia are the importers / agents for Zastava in Australia I think, going by the webpages. Maybe some of our Australian friends could confirm this?

I have no idea if it is possible to import a rifle to the UK, or the US, from Australia though.

i have imported several firearms from australia. not real hard, some forms to fill out, takes a little time and they have to be imported for "your own use and not for resale". the other issue is haveing someone in australia willing to do the paperwork there and having their inventory tied up until the permission to ship is granted. then you get to deal with the exchange rate.
i think if one ffl had a large number of firearms shipped to one address it might get the attention of atf&e. they might determine it is an importer and not properly licensed.

inventory tied up ?

If you've paid for it, it can sit for as long as the paperwork takes to come through.

It's your (the US) paperwork that takes the time,'I can get an Aust Export permit for a firearm in 2 - 3 weeks.

It's not difficult to do, just a bit of time and effort.

.

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Originally posted by robthom:
Continuing this thread -

I noticed on the Beretta Australia web pages that left handed Zastava rifles were obtainable there!

Beretta Australia are the importers / agents for Zastava in Australia I think, going by the webpages. Maybe some of our Australian friends could confirm this?

I have no idea if it is possible to import a rifle to the UK, or the US, from Australia though.

Yep, that's correct, they are available in Oz. Just not in .458WM, as Zastava have not actually made any in LH. Despite being listed on the Zastava website.
Mentioned a few times on the other Zastava thread here, http://forums.accuratereloadin...7108194/m/2111031541

Perfectly possible to import a rifle into the US from Oz, but the costs would make it unattractive, for something like these.