Good point Pete, English stags can have great trophies. They have trouble competing with the huge trophies in Eastern Europe though, I spent 7 days in the Czech republic last september and a stag with 20 points as well as at least 5 14+ pointers! Unfortunately they are jealously guarded as herd bulls.

By the way, are the deer in the south all native? I remember hearing that many families brought large stags to England to increase the trophy size on their property...

Does anyone know if there are any free range red deer in the andes-Patagonia? I have seen several outfits from this area however, I know very little about them. Any information on Red deer ,Patagonia or other optins, will be appreciated. Thanks Rug

There are lots of red deer free range hnts in the Andes. They vary from public land hunts that are auctioned off every year in Buenos Aires to private land unguided to private land high end hunts. Prices are in the neighborhood of $2000, $3000, and over $5000 respectively. The first two options have 2 stag limits, the third is for 1 stag only.

Where were the stags in Argentina imported from?
I always wonder why the Brits took park stags to New Zealand instead of Austrian/Czech or Russian animals that would yield MUCH better trophies....
Oh yea, do the horn configuration of stags that live out in the plains differ at all from regular stags?
Sorry to bombard with questions!!

Pedro Luro imported the first stags to Argntina, but i don't know where or from whom he purchased. La Pampa is not plains, but i know what you mean. The Andes range stags differ in body size (smaller), and their antler mass is less than stags from la Pampa. This is because of the mineral rich soil in La Pampa and the quality of forage. The only exception to this that i have seen are the stags from the Chubut area which are very big.

Luro imported deer from Germany and Hungary. At present times, New Zealand and Britain stags have also added their blood lines. Boghossian: feel free for asking as many questions as you like.
Good hunting
Nainital

OK, but you'll be sorry!
-Do you ever call the animals during the rut? I saw hunters in the Czech republic doing that on my first stag hunt and was impressed with the results!
-I have noticed that many of the trophies on internet sites are of huge and healthy stags, here many estates don't allow you to shoot unless the stag is past its prime or is never going to be a great trophy. Do the stags get managed there, or are all good trophies fair game?
-What is the hunting like on national reserves/unguided? Anything like a wilderness hunt, or are there other hunters on the same zone?

Boghossian: rules in force usually allow to shoot stags with 11 points or more, or defective heads (called "asesinos"). Some European masters have called stags during the rut. Special callers named "bramadores" are used. There are management practices in private ranches, not so in public lands (the auctioned ones in the Andes). A foreigner can�t hunt unguided usually, but that differs in some locations.
Again, contact me if you want more info.
Regards

Boghossian: furthermore hunting in the Andes is a demanding task, horse riding is usually a must and the areas are inmense. Of course it�s a wilderness hunt. In your area or "coto" you are the only hunter.

Rug,

Patagonia, IMHO, is the ultimate hunting destination for Red Stag, at least in Argentina. The La Pampa province ranges are interesting, but they offer a very different type of hunting.

Prices in both areas, range from $2000 to $ 6000 depending of quality of heads and services provided.

Hunting Red Stag in Patagonia, in the provinces of Neuqu�n, R�o Negro or Chubut is a demanding task, physically speaking, but again, it depends finall on what you want.

You can go to private or public land. Please let me know if you want more info. You can choose from a handful of serious offerings. Also, bear in mind that many guides are offering canned hunts (fenced ranges) nothing against this way, but must be taken into consideration if one is lafter a true free-range mountanin hunt.

I'm leaving in a couple of weeks to Chubut, will give feedback after my return

Boghossian,



Have you ever stalked or seen the Red deer in the southern part of the UK? I stalk a bit around Thetford, and the Red deer down there are huge compared to their Scottish cousins.



I was talking to some guys last saturday who had booked a weeks stalking with the FC in Thetford earlier in the year. One took a 14 pointer and one a 13 pointer...both stags were in excess of 360lb gralloched and with head and legs off.



And these are not expectional animals either; I have seen 18 and 20 pointers down there that look like cart horses!



I am not saying that Continental Reds are not bigger, just down sell our southern deer short, thats all...



Regards,



Pete

Boghossian,

I sure there have been introductions down South, but equally the same thing has been tried in Scotland. In fact I have read two accounts of bull Elk being released with a view to improving trophy quality.

In the highlands, by far the biggest factor in trophy quality is the poor habitat. It has been documented many times where Scottish deer moved to deer farms have gratly improved their body weight/trophy quality due to the beeter food and conditions.

With regards trophy's, take a look at Woodland Stalking by Peter Carne. If i recall correctly there is a picture in there of the old head Ranger from Theford, Rex Witter (sp?)
holding the head of a 26pointer taken in the forest in the not to distant past. I am in work now, but will double check the details when i am home..

Regards,

Pete

This link shows a nice deer taken in England.
http://www.adventuresinhunting.com/hunt_EuropeSoEngland.htm

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[QUOTE ] Originalmente Escrito por JohnAir :
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[ QUOTE] Originalmente escrito por Gustavo :
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