This happened yesterday. I do not know the current Captain and Crew but I know the boat. She was 2000 model 85 foot Ricky Scarborough built here in the Outer Banks.

Engine blew and 5 minutes she was gone. They were one the way back to US mainland from the Bahamas. Haylon kept fire down allowing crew time to inflate raft, call mayday and set epirb.

From the photo, it looks to me that the fire was so hot that it melted the aluminum braces on the tuna tower because it is starting to collapse. Entire vessel was completely under in five minutes so guessing that photo was taken a minuet or two before she sunk. Imagine the heat it takes to melt aluminum in that amount of time.

Not a great day on the water but the Captain was quick to take action and everyone lived to fish another day.

Wow.....lucky they were.

It was probably a gorgeous boat once, glad everyone got off it in time.

About 1200 degrees to melt aluminum, we tried to make aluminum bullets once.

I bet the insurance company did not like that phone call. My guess is at least 3.5 million. Just heard from a friend that she was just retro fitted with gyro stabilizers. That was probably about 300K alone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fXnEKVT-Dc

Do you know what BOAT stands for?

B Break
O Out
A Another
T Thousand $

Very sad day indeed!

The aluminum was likely bolted to the fiberglass structure which failed at a much lower temperature.

Wow! Glad they had time to get off with the raft. Not a good day.

Attached is a link to some pictures of what this boat looked like.

http://www.scarboroughboatwork...m/boats/waterman-63/

They lived and that's what matters.

I still vividly remember Captain Yeager telling me the danger of fuel leaks or spills and how a ounce or two of fuel in the hold could vaporize and blow, which would ruin our day. That was 41 years ago and I remember it like yesterday. Later that day he drilled in to me that when he says North, he means 360 degrees, not 355 degrees!

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Originally posted by Capt. Purvis:
Do you know what BOAT stands for?

B Break
O Out
A Another
T Thousand $

Glad everyone made it out.

If it flies, floats or has tits, it will cost you money.

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Originally posted by Capt. Purvis:
Do you know what BOAT stands for?

B Break
O Out
A Another
T Thousand $

The owning/operating recreational fishing boat is the biggest market scam that makes the whole great white hunter african hunting marketing seem like peanuts.

I have no idea why anyone who likes to fish (salt water offshore) owns a boat. The $$ spent on the boat can so much better be spent on fishing.

I truly hate recreational fishing boats - what a scam.

Mike

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I truly hate recreational fishing boats - what a scam.

Define "scam" and show me how many fishing boat builders are rolling in dough because they build boats.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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I truly hate recreational fishing boats - what a scam.

Define "scam" and show me how many fishing boat builders are rolling in dough because they build boats.

$ scam from buyers point of view for recreational saltwater fishing boats.

All these boats are designed to perform way more than the recreational saltwater fisherman can fish - fuel burn.

Add in cost of storage, insurance, maintainance and fuel the $$ can be much better spent on fishing.

But the industry has sold its image well.

Best example I can think of is few fishing outfitters go to Florida boat and fish shows - their general take is once the boats come all the discretionary $$ go into the boats. They rather go to sci or dsc.

I have only one friend who owns a boat who is looking to upgrade to a bigger boat - all the rest feel stuck in their boats.

Mike

Well, I would disagree, but to each his own. If you own a boat, you can go when and where you want, within reason, and if you fish a lot, which I would define as more than 60 days a year, then your own boat becomes much more attractive. Of course, I don't fish at all much anymore and own a dozen or two boats from canoes up to 26 footers. Do I feel stuck? Not a bit.

It's kind of like cars, if you want basic transportation, then hell, use taxis. If you like driving, then use something a bit nicer.

Just as an example, if you want to go inshore saltwater fishing with a known guide on the Texas/La coast, then you will likely be looking at months out to get a date and then, who knows whether your schedule will have changed, the weather, etc.

Finally, AFA your friends feeling "stuck" in their boats, there is an extremely active aftermarket for used boats. Tell them to sell and take up golf.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Well, I would disagree, but to each his own. If you own a boat, you can go when and where you want, within reason, and if you fish a lot, which I would define as more than 60 days a year, then your own boat becomes much more attractive. Of course, I don't fish at all much anymore and own a dozen or two boats from canoes up to 26 footers. Do I feel stuck? Not a bit.

It's kind of like cars, if you want basic transportation, then hell, use taxis. If you like driving, then use something a bit nicer.

Just as an example, if you want to go inshore saltwater fishing with a known guide on the Texas/La coast, then you will likely be looking at months out to get a date and then, who knows whether your schedule will have changed, the weather, etc.

Finally, AFA your friends feeling "stuck" in their boats, there is an extremely active aftermarket for used boats. Tell them to sell and take up golf.

Gato

We are talking about two different types/categories of boats. The boats I am taking are more in line with the opening thread post.

One buddy sold his offshore boats and got into high fence deers (boats made more sense )

The others have serious offshore boats like the one in the opening post.

One has a capitan that goes with the boat. He has offered his friends free use of his boat if they tip the captain and pay for fuel.

Fuel burns at 80-100 gallons per hour.

I ran the numbers it was much cheaper for me to go fish in panama for 3-5 days that take his boat out for a overnight trip. I am going to panama to catch and tag some tuna.

Mike

Do you seriously believe that the people who own those kind of boats have somehow been brainwashed/scammed by the industry into spending 1/2 million an up, way up, on a fishing boat? I mean, give me a fucking break.

It goes back to the old saying of "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." Most of the people who have enough money to buy and maintain these boats have far more income than needed to pay for their pleasures. I can't afford it but I ain't buying one either. If they didn't/don't like it, they should sell their boat for whatever it will bring and take up golf or high class whores, which are much cheaper at most of their ages.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Do you seriously believe that the people who own those kind of boats have somehow been brainwashed/scammed by the industry into spending 1/2 million an up, way up, on a fishing boat? I mean, give me a fucking break.

It goes back to the old saying of "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." Most of the people who have enough money to buy and maintain these boats have far more income than needed to pay for their pleasures. I can't afford it but I ain't buying one either. If they didn't/don't like it, they should sell their boat for whatever it will bring and take up golf or high class whores, which are much cheaper at most of their ages.

I have seen age is the biggest reason people I know move away from it. Most guys cannot fish as hard as they did in their 30 in their 50-60s.

But they bitch at the time - main reason is it's money out every month. Buy a pair of holland and holland doubles and one can stick it into a gun safes. Boats just have continuous $$ outlays.

But it is a big business - tons of boat brokers all over Florida. I need to stop buy and check out the scene after tax day.

Mike

Oh hell, you've been scammed too.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Oh hell, you've been scammed too.

I am just window shopping

Mike

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I am just window shopping

First step to an addiction.

Seriously, I would suggest a much smaller boat as a starter. A 26-30 footer is a helluva lot easier to handle, does not have to have a slip, can be trailered, and will do everything the big ones will, except handle weather quite as well, have as much room, and cost a tiny fraction of the larger boats IF bought used.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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I am just window shopping

First step to an addiction.

Seriously, I would suggest a much smaller boat as a starter. A 26-30 footer is a helluva lot easier to handle, does not have to have a slip, can be trailered, and will do everything the big ones will, except handle weather quite as well, have as much room, and cost a tiny fraction of the larger boats IF bought used.

There is a lot of wisdom in these words gato.

I will try and post picture of gsat boat I want - it drives all of my serious fishing buddies ballistic.

Mike

The best two days in a boat owners life the day you buy and the day you sell it.

I would offer that most folk's "starter boats" aren't 26-30'ers. Nothing wrong with it per se but I and most of my friends have boats and all of us had smaller boats as starters. For strict saltwater I'd say a 21' CC or cuddy cabin/walk around would be the most common starter.

I have a 25' CC currently.....I hate towing it around and will be downsizing again....lol.

I have a client who says he always follows the 3 F rule. I asked what the 3 F rule was . His response? If it floats, fly's or f#@ks, it is cheaper to rent it.

Yep. Same applies to vacation homes as well.

The boat I want to buy - all my fishing boat buddies think I am an idiot (which might be most likely true)



This boat is damn cool.

Mike

There's a paddle for everybody.......

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
There's a paddle for everybody.......

Got to clarify - it's the big riding inflatable on a trailer I want.

Don't have to worry about banging into stuff as I try and bring it to dock.


Mike

Let me clarify, the paddle phrase is an old gambler's phrase referring to Las Vegas and the various ways the casinos extract money from the players.

The "paddle" refers to an instrument of corporal punishment, rarely used these days.

I knew it was the inflatable, or maybe a small rubber ducky I didn't notice.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
There's a paddle for everybody.......

Got to clarify - it's the big riding inflatable on a trailer I want.

Don't have to worry about banging into stuff as I try and bring it to dock.


Mike

I've always had a phobia about the mix of deep water, sharks, inflatable boats and big, sharp fish hooks.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
There's a paddle for everybody.......

Maybe that is why I own seven count them seven canoes.

This would be just my luck.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=523KJ8pp8DU

I love the total lack of reaction by the Germans.

Hummm, we are on an "inflatable". Great White just destroyed one or more chambers on our "inflatable". What's for lunch?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Capt. Purvis:
Do you know what BOAT stands for?

B Break
O Out
A Another
T Thousand $

Glad everyone made it out.

If it flies, floats or has tits, it will cost you money.

This is so true!

That would be worse than running 3 miles across the lake with a rock hole thru the bow! at least both of them still floated.

By the time we got to the ramp we were knee deep in water and everyone raising hell for me not slowing down in a no wake zone. "would have but didn't think we could swim that far".
A 20' Cuddy holds a hell of a lot of water, took over 3 hours to pump and drain it all out. Rangers came to look and refused to write a ticket for the no wake violation. Heard one tell a complainer: "he didn't have any choice".

BOAT: hole in the water that will break you trying to fill it with money"

Fire and lightning are scary things out on the big water. Hope I never have a fire on one.

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Originally posted by Norton:
I would offer that most folk's "starter boats" aren't 26-30'ers. Nothing wrong with it per se but I and most of my friends have boats and all of us had smaller boats as starters. For strict saltwater I'd say a 21' CC or cuddy cabin/walk around would be the most common starter.

I have a 25' CC currently.....I hate towing it around and will be downsizing again....lol.

I feel your pain there. Towing a 25 foot boat is no fun, especially through a big city.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I have a client who says he always follows the 3 F rule. I asked what the 3 F rule was . His response? If it floats, fly's or f#@ks, it is cheaper to rent it.

I've always heard 4 F's. Rent it if it, Floats, Flies, Feeds or Fcks.

Hi Guys,
Been reading this thread, I'd like to post my experience on some of the things posted.

I've been a fisherman and boat owner for 33 years now, bought my boat used in 1985, a 20ft SeaCraft center console.
I made every stupid mistake in the 1st year owning my boat but somehow made it back every time in 1 piece, safely.
I'm in Hawaii and we target the offshore big game species, Yellowfin Tuna, Blue Marlin, Mahimahi, and Ono(Wahoo).
A 20 footer is economical to tow and run, easy on fuel,and enough for 2 people offshore.
I still own the boat, it's now on it's 3rd engine, the newer electronic fuel-injected motors are really economical in fuel consumption.
Don't let the small boat fool you, we target the Big Yellowfin Tuna during the summertime run, some over 200 lbs.
We choose our days for good weather, carry full safety equipment, and have learned how to handle the bigger fish safely.
In 2001, we managed to catch and land the Holy Grail of offshore fishermen, a Pacific Blue Marlin that weighed over 1,000 pounds, quite a feat for 2 people on a 20ft boat.
Boats can be expensive, but in my case the pluses overrule the negative.

ironfist

You must of done like Santiago and towed her back to the dock? Quite an accomplishment for two people.