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Originally posted by whitewater bob:
Mike.........is the total cost per hunter for two buffalo $23000...?....($15K hunt plus $4K trophy fee X2= $8K for $23K total) plus transfers? Is the "$7500 trophy fee deposit required" part of the $8000 trophy fee total?...........Regards.......Bob

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Mike,

Your offer is not very clear.

And a trophy fee to be paid in advance??

Please clarify it, as I really like to have all offers with complete details, not requiring clients to ask for clarifications.

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The hunters are required to make a refundable deposit towards anticipated trophy fees which is to be paid before arrival in Tanzania. We will then reconcile their final invoice at the end of the hunt.

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Any outfit asks for this is not going to get me as a client.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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The hunters are required to make a refundable deposit towards anticipated trophy fees which is to be paid before arrival in Tanzania. We will then reconcile their final invoice at the end of the hunt.

Any outfit asks for this is not going to get me as a client.

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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The hunters are required to make a refundable deposit towards anticipated trophy fees which is to be paid before arrival in Tanzania. We will then reconcile their final invoice at the end of the hunt.

Any outfit asks for this is not going to get me as a client.

What Outfitter is arranging this hunt ?

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
The few times in my hunting life when money was to be refunded it was like pulling teeth. Excuse after excuse, blaming the government or exchange rates, to delay the refund.

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Administrator

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
This is the problem:

Not all hunters are as trustworthy and forthright as they should be.

Some of these deadbeats have posted on this forum and lamely tried to defend themselves. Most just skulk off into wherever they hope to hide.

How much can or should an outfitter trust a random foreign hunter, who is a complete stranger to him?

After all, at the end of the safari, this guy will likely be obligated to pay the outfitter thousands, or tens of thousands, of dollars.

Is it wise or prudent for the outfitter to wait for payment until after the guy has left the country?

I like to be trusted, and people generally do trust me, maybe because I have been blessed with an honest face, but mostly, I think, because I have an excellent credit rating.

Putting up a trophy fee deposit, to be held in the agent's account, is not the worst thing in the way of providing security.

But the agent is the outfitter's agent, and (no offense, Mike) we should not kid ourselves, any disagreements will be resolved in the outfitter's favor.

I wouldn't reject these business terms out of hand, but I would sure as hell do my due diligence on the outfitter and the agent.

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Originally posted by Red River Jake:
Good morning, gentlemen.

First, I can truly say I wasn’t expecting some of the comments that appeared here. Questions or concerns can be addressed but to blatantly discourage or disrespect people can be taken as tactless.

Secondly, there are many folks here who have either hunted with, Mike Taylor, Ryan Shallom, or myself over the years and I don’t know of any that would be able to say that they had a poor experience. Everyone involved in the project are totally committed to providing and building a reputation around top quality service at a reasonable rate. We are hunters plain and simple, we are hunters that are trying to make a viable business out of something that we love and helping protect what little there is left of wild Africa. I would never claim to be a “businessman” but I can assure anyone that is interested in hunting with us, business will be conducted in a professional manner. Period.

Lastly, I would like to give a short introduction of myself. My name is Jake Jones, my entire life has revolved around hunting since I was a young child. I am originally from Texas and was for the better part of my 20’s as a member of U.S. Army Special Operations (2nd Ranger Battalion). Afterwards, I hunted in Australia for several years and then had my life long dream of hunting and operating in Africa come true, I went to Zambia. Now, Mr. Shallom and I are starting this new project in South Selous. It isn’t the only area we have available but it is where we would like to shift our focus as it is a magnificent wild land area with many unexplored opportunities. It is a great area for dangerous game. Buffalo,hippo,elephant, and the cats are abundant. I can again assure anyone that is interested that we strive to be completely transparent and look forward to dealing with you fairly and honestly. During the off season I am based back here in Texas and will be attending DSC for a couple of days if you would like to meet and talk. You can also contact me by phone or email. After all, planing a hunt is all part of the fun. We appreciate your time and consideration.

Warmest Regards,
Jake Jones
(361)246-0698
Redriverjake@hotmail.com

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Originally posted by WR500:
So originally you needed to prepay trophy fees, now we get 7 days after the completion of the safari.
That’s a more realistic scenario.....

And a big turnaround from the original offer posted by your agent.....

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Originally posted by WR500:
So originally you needed to prepay trophy fees, now we get 7 days after the completion of the safari.
That’s a more realistic scenario.....

And a big turnaround from the original offer posted by your agent.....

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I can vouch for Ryan and Jake. Just the offer was poorly presented. I suggest the offer is redone with some pics of buff taken, camp etc

Good luck.

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Originally posted by miketaylor:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I can vouch for Ryan and Jake. Just the offer was poorly presented. I suggest the offer is redone with some pics of buff taken, camp etc

Good luck.

Hi Andrew,

I hope all is will with you.

I have already altered my original offer. There was a miss communication between the three of us and for that I can only apologise to everyone.
Photos are coming.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by miketaylor:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I can vouch for Ryan and Jake. Just the offer was poorly presented. I suggest the offer is redone with some pics of buff taken, camp etc

Good luck.

Hi Andrew,

I hope all is will with you.

I have already altered my original offer. There was a miss communication between the three of us and for that I can only apologise to everyone.
Photos are coming.

AR can be a tough crowd to please!

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Originally posted by WR500:
So originally you needed to prepay trophy fees, now we get 7 days after the completion of the safari.
That’s a more realistic scenario.....

And a big turnaround from the original offer posted by your agent.....

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Originally posted by WR500:
So originally you needed to prepay trophy fees, now we get 7 days after the completion of the safari.
That’s a more realistic scenario.....

And a big turnaround from the original offer posted by your agent.....

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Originally posted by WR500:
So originally you needed to prepay trophy fees, now we get 7 days after the completion of the safari.
That’s a more realistic scenario.....

And a big turnaround from the original offer posted by your agent.....

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I think Ryan,Mike and Jake are putting themselves at substantial risk by not requiring any payment toward trophy fees until after the completion of the safari. It would be easy for a hunter to just not pay. What actually could these guys do if someone fails to pay. The answer is nothing.

My clients and none have complained about it pay some sort of trophy fee deposit 30 days before the hunt. The deposit doesn't have to cover every animals they might take but it should cover the major target animals. If they over shoot which many do we bill them and if they have a balance of the deposit left we reimburse them within 7 working days. No trophy fee money goes to Africa until we know what was taken and what was not. This protects the safari operator in that we are holding a significant amount of money should the hunter re nigh on the agreement and it allows the hunters to travel with a minimum amount of cash which they love.

Mark