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Please tell us your deals on hunts you book. Payment wise. How much does a client have to place in deposit when he books a hunt. And how much does he have to pay the rest of the daily fees, and when. Some seem to believe that one can actually arrive in camp before paying the full amount of the daily fees. | ||
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"Some seem to believe that one can actually arrive in camp before paying the full amount of the daily fees. This is going to very a lot depending on local practices. I have been on several hunts where: a) a deposit was paid and did not pay the remainder until after the hunt was over b) a deposit was paid and remainder was paid when I arrived in camp c) did not pay anything until after the hunt was completed. But here is food for thought - How many transactions do people conduct where they pay for services before the services are rendered? I suspect the answer is not many. So that leads to the question as to Why should a safari be any different? - Not saying either is right or wrong or unjustified. But most business transcations for services are paid for after the services are performed satisfactorily. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I am only concerned with African hunts. | |||
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All of my clients who have booked a hunt with/through me in Africa pay the full daily rates before arriving in camp. This is normally in two parts, 25-50% when the hunt is booked then the balance one month before arriving in Africa. Some of my clients have paid their daily rates in full in one transfer. Then an agreed percentage goes to the outfitter and I hold the balance in my account until it's due. All other fees are paid either on the last day of the hunt or within an agreed time frame once back home. This is slightly different for clients hunting with me in the UK but you asked about Africa only. With kind regards Mike Mike Taylor Sporting Hunting, Fishing & Photographic Safaris Worldwide +44 7930 524 097 mtaylorsporting@gmail.com Instagram - miketaylorsporting | |||
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My last hunting trip (to Botswana) I paid nothing until the end of the safari. I hunted Zambia before that. I paid the entire daily fees in advance and a couple of weeks before I was to leave, an immediate family member was given only a few weeks to live. I contacted the PH (certainly not Baldry) and he said that it was too bad but the money was his and that was that. I did not argue as we all have to make a living. The next year I booked a Zambia hunt with a 40% deposit and the day that I got on the big airliner I had my lady send the remainder of the daily fees. I have been going on African safaris since 1977 and have traditionally sent 40% deposit and the remainder and trophy fees at the end of the safari. I know the booking agents and outfitters would love to always get 100% of everything in advance. Why not. I would never .. ever ... pay 100% of an expensive hunt in advance to someone that I do not know ... Trust .... both ways ... | |||
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Saeed, If a hunter books a safari through Mark's Exclusive Adventures more than a year out from the start of the safari the hunter would pay 25% of all costs of the safari other than trophy fees. Thereafter 25% would be due one year out from the safari and the balance 90 days before the safari. If the safari is booked one year out or less than one year 50% is due upon booking and the balance 90 days out. In both cases a trophy fee deposit is due 30 days before the safari. All of this is not in stone and we will work with people if the circumstances warrant it but rest assured nobody arrives in camp without full payment. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I have not paid a depsit or any fees till the end of my hunts in SA or namibia. been on 12 hunts to those places. Hell I have shot more then I could pay for at the end and they knew was told to send balance when I got home I won a bid on a hunt to moz at an sci event. It covered day fees. I was asked to pay permit fees up front all the rest at end of hunt. I get how some places what so much up front but I will never pay full anything up front no matter the place. If that means I cant hunt there so be it. Paying fees once there before hunt starts I would have no problem with at all. | |||
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I’ve gone through all different scenarios Gotta have a trust but verify And once in awhile, one gets screwed unfortunately And if and when you feel like there is a red flag…run Too good to be true is a good rule of thumb | |||
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Hunting civilised Africa and wild Africa are different with different risks and rules. South African and Namibian hunts are low risk for all parties. In Kenya, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Cameroon and Ethiopia I have had to pay in full, up front. If you want to hunt Ethiopia you also have to buy a license for every species you might want to hunt, months in advance, and if you don't even see one, tough! If you are not trusting enough to pay up front stick to low risk civilised hunts and shoot your lion behind a fence. If you don't like the rules don't go, no one is forcing you but you will miss out a lot of real living. PS. I got a Lesser Kudu this morning! | |||
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I'm like M SHY. I've had different variations. This year in TZ I paid the daily fees 5 or 6 months in advance (at time of booking) then 30 days before hunt I paid a trophy fee deposit on anticipated animals. You would receive a final bill within 30 days, if there was one. They do have your trophies. Zim 2006 Zim 2007 Namibia 2013 Brown Bear Togiak Nat'l Refuge Sep 2010 Argentina 2019 RSA 2023 Tanzania 2024 SCI Life Member USMC | |||
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If you are booking a hunt a year out the typical deposit is 50% of the daily rates. But I always try and work with the client and of course the operator i represent to see if a 25% deposit can be paid, especially if the hunt is more than a year out. With regard to trophy fees. The client either takes the money to pay in camp or gives me his estimated trophy fees to hold in escrow before he goes. If there is any refund due I settle straight away on his return. But of course all this depends upon the outfitters terms at the end of the day. Arjun Reddy Hunters Networks LLC www.huntersnetworks.com 30 Ivy Hill Road Brewster, NY 10509 Tel: +1 845 259 3628 Watch GUNSTIX Shooting Sticks in action Short version https://youtu.be/HYoF1nR9JFo?si=aUeCBW_G5OJAK26f Long version https://youtu.be/NJ96K8T-ttc 2025 SHOW SCHEDULE: DSC (Atlanta 9th - 12th January) booth #4829 SCI (Nashville 22nd - 25th January) booth #414 Western Hunting and Conservation Expo (Salt lake city 13th-16th February) booth # 220 | |||
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Oddly you have for years been Mr. “I would never pay for everything up front and I would never do business with someone who talks about tips” etc. Also the reason you are asking is he did pay up front which is the root of the issue as we all normally do You actually made a stink about the fact he did pay all the day rates up front if I recall | |||
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I speak for TZ: Outfitting fees (daily rates}, hunting permits, import licenses, royalties, etc. are ALL paid for up front by the outfitter so in a way it is correct that the client settles this amount prior to setting foot in camp. Some outfitters (nowadays mostly all) will request a deposit against trophy fees according to the wish list which are on a pay as you shoot basis (credit) and therefore not payable until shot/killed or wounded/lost. Repeat clients however are rarely requested to make this deposit as I would guess a trust factor has been established, whereby the full amount is settled at the end of the hunt. Why is a deposit normally requested? Because there have been a number of "runners" who didn't give a hoot about taking skulls or skins back home and therefore couldn't care less if the outfitter held on to his trophies. The hunter shot what he wanted and has an album full of photo memories which have cost nothing; no freight/clearing and astronomical taxidermy charges. Smart huh? | |||
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Bingo! It happens. The trophy fee deposit also allows the client to travel with only a little pocket money. Universally my clients have liked this. They just pay the balance on their final invoice. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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