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Hello everyone, An adventure a special hunt only made by foot and fly camp (old style) It's not accessible by truck due rock barrier so the plan is going like in the early day of bongo hunting everything by fly camp and by foot and only able to do in the early season si from February to early April. This part of the concession is along the Chinko River pretty long (18 miles) but not super wide the size is around 28 000 acres (11 500 hectares) it's more a Savanna type of area and with some swampy place nice hills and creek. Here the quote for 2025 Only 2 spots available February to early April 19 days 25'500€ 26 days 32'500€ Include: -assistance at Bangui Airport -all accommodation in the area -professional hunter and staff -concession and conservation fees -vat Not include: -hotel and restaurant in Bangui -hunting license 2'850€ -trophy fees -charter plane (28'000€ if you don't share) -dipping packing and exportation documentation -rental firearms 30€ per day and 7€ per ammo shot -alcohol -insurance Species available: Bongo 7'500€ Buffalo Central African 4000€ Bushbuck Harnessed 1'500€ Cat Caracal 1'500€ Cat Civet 1'000€ Cat Serval 1'500€ Duiker Blue 1'000€ Duiker Red Flanked 1'250€ Duiker Weyn's 2'000€ Duiker White Bellied 2'000€ Duiker Yellow Backed 4'500€ Giant Eland 9'000€ Giant Forest Hog 5'500€ Leopard 8'000€ (non exportable to the USA) Oribi 1'200 Red River Hog 1'500€ Roan Western 4'500€ Warthog 1'250€ Waterbuck Sing-Sing 3'500€ Porcupine 350€ Baboon 300€ (Lord Derby depending on quota and success fees 15'000€) Lefol Safaris Email: kewinefol@hotmail.com phone: +33 6 20 09 44 34 adress: BP 483 BANGUI Central African Republic Best regards Kewin Lefol | ||
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A dream hunt where one can do the Bongo and Lord Derby in a Single Safari. But the Charter costs... Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Wow, possibly the greatest adventure of my life, did this almost exact hunt in same area in ‘12? Cost? $25k? To do it now would be $96k and I would be on foot from the time the charter dropped me off in the Savannah? How times change…. | |||
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one of the best area ever left. good luck on the hunt. | |||
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Has the outfitter been on site? How is the game? Poaching? 11-12 years unattended in Africa is a lifetime of change. Also, is the outfitter stating both species (bongo and lord derby) can be hunted? When I was there, the areas were 5-7 hrs apart by cruiser | |||
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Sounds like a dream hunt/adventure! | |||
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You was probably hunting with CAWA same region not the same area they were on West bank on the Chinko we are East. you will be on foot from the closed point from where will do the first fly camp. | |||
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We have been operating on our concession since 2009 and we are opening this side of the concession who is you can access by truck. I went down of "cliff I sow some game and a lot track. We have both of them there but it's more savanna area. The area you were hunting is hold now by African Park | |||
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Most expensive charter I have ever seen into a safari camp!! E28,000!! if not shared...AND I assume this is round trip, ie in and back out?? I don't want to buy the airplane, only use it for a few hours!! What type of aircraft and how long is the flight into camp?? 470EDDY | |||
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Yes since Covid the price had increased like crazy and the 20% VAT don't help also it went from 5'000$ a flight to 14'000$. It's why we try to split the charter plan as maximum it's 3H-3H15 to go up and 2H15-2H30 with cesna 208 grand Caravan | |||
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The typical charter cost in the US is $1400/hr. According to AIRCRAFT COST CALCULATOR, the total operating cost including variable and fixed cost is: $1331/hr based in 450 hours a year, $ 771/hr based on 650 hours a year!! Your charter operator is simply gouging hunters!! Great hunt, and I would do it, but the charter kills it for me!!... it does on mant locations in Tanzania too!! I can't see what pre- post-COVID has to do with charter costs or tea in China??!! 470EDDY | |||
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The coast off the JET went from 5$ a gallon to over 11$ a gallon in Bangui. They have increased also a lot the insurance. The other problem is the global price in C.A.R with all the NGO and association they make everything so expensive it's just become crazy We have to the other operators it's even more expensive for the same plan | |||
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The cost of Jet A in the US average is $6.60/USG, up 3x or $2.25/USG 10 years ago!! Yes, I know fuel costs are up in Africa, but your stated increase of $5/usg, at 35 gpg in the Caravan only accounts for an increase of $175/h!! Yes, insurance rates are up too.... still not significant on these raises. If we as international hunters belly up to the bar and pay these ridiculous charter costs, we are only validating the gouging, cutting our own throats!! Let them sit for a season with no charters, they will reconsider!!... and it will also have "A Trickle Back Effect!!" I know you as one of the top operators in CAR, clear back to the Jack and Casey Schwabland, John Cotten and Pete Papac days from the Northwest!! This is no reflection on you by any means!! Let your charter operators are cutting their own throat!! I won't budge, and I don't have many seasons left!! 470EDDY | |||
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Steve, You bitch about the cost of every hunt.  The cost is the cost and what it cost in the 19th century is kinda irrelevant.Cheers, Mark On another subject I see that pesky "Success fee" again in the ad. MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark, I don't consider CHARTERS part of the Hunt Fee... they are add ons, sometimes required because you can't drive in safely or in reasonable time.... I have all the time in the world to drive in, and I kinda' like it.... I am also a longtime pilot and know the risks of flying in Third World Countries, I like to be in the driver's seat, or at least right seat with controls!!... I have seen too many Boo-Boo's in various hunting reports... too close for comfort. Think most recent, our friends at William Larken Moore Gun Brokers... crash landed in a Piper Navajo from Walvis Bay to Windhoek.... jet fuel in a piston plane... all made it out safely...!! Alain Smith off the end of the runway in a Cessna twin, Tanzania....PHs down enroute... on and on... Money is not the object, we are booked on a near $100,000 90-day Circumnavigation of Africa cruise if the Gaza area, Suez and Red Sea calm down a bit!! But, you are right Mark, glad I did most of my hunting in Africa beginning in 1978... last hunt 2020...all great memories!! More to come?? 470EDDY | |||
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I second that the only problem I see with this one is the crazy cost of 3 hrs flight or total 6 hrs for almost $ 30,000 Not justifiable in anyone’s book Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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It’s about time for the TZ operators to tell us about how it costs 4-5x times as much to charter a plane in Africa as it does anywhere else in the world… And it does- BECAUSE THE CHARTER COMPANIES ARE GOUGING THE HELL OUT OF HUNTERS, SOMETIMES IN COLLUSION WITH SAFARI OPERATORS! Question? Why would you need to charter a Caravan to get to a remote hunting area? Answer- because you are paying for the outfitter’s resupply logistics…  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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jdollar, u are right of course, but there is a significant benefit to the hunter as well. I'll explain. The first time I chartered in it was in a 172. Not a lot of cargo space. Since then, I've usually come in and out on a Caravan. Sometimes was able to split costs, sometimes not. Still worth it. I used to represent Cessna, and I really like flying on that tank of a plane. But usually, when I'm coming in, we are bringing in crates of food, bundles of eggs (I like eggs), ice chests with fish, prawn and lobsters (I like fish, prawn and lobster), a resupply for the bar, often my PH, sometimes my wife and her luggage (look out). You might not eat very well if you flew in on a 172. | |||
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Why is it the hunter’s, who is already paying $2.5k plus a day, responsibility to also pay for resupplying the camp?? What does the day rate include? Just a tent? I fly in with a 30 lb duffel bag. It’s not my job to bring my food. YMMV. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Cost of playing the game I guess. | |||
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Because, if the Outfitter had to do a separate charter to bring in camp supplies, or bring them in by road, that's EXTRA COSTS, and your daily rate would soar further!! To Lavaca's point about a Cessna 172, great little plane for a pilot, one passenger and hunting gear!!... now if the field elevation is high like Zimbabwe, or it is HOT... there is NOT MUCH PERFORMANCE left for comfort level of most pilots!! A Cessna 182 with 230hp vs 150 in a 172, much better, my choice would be a Cessna 206, 6 seats, baggage, and 300hp under the bonnet!! These are used a lot in back country service, and turbo'd for High and Hot operations, even better!! But, now piston engines fail from time to time, a fine P&W PT6 in a Caravan is far more reliable over hostile territory!! Just costs about three times as much as a Cessna 206!!... borne by the hunter, these days!! Seems to me that Charter costs would be far more likely to be better controlled if the Outfitter paid charters and were part of the daily rates... and their extra freight brought into camps on their nickel, too!! Ya gotta get there to hunt, or the hunt doesn't go!! Should be paid by the Outfitter!! 470EDDY | |||
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Back in 1996 I spent a day or two in Harare. I was staying at a sort of bed and breakfast and I ended up talking to a retired American commercial pilot. The chap had just spent the season chartering in Tanzania. He told me that the safari outfit told him that he was charging too much for the flights. And then they charged the client an extra 100% on his rates. I reckon that they charge what the traffic will bear ... | |||
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I did it in 12' as well. Was with CAWA. We hunted right up to the edge of the Chinko River. Took a lunch siesta on the banks. At that time, that was deep into Joesph Kony (LRA) territory. I'd agree, probably one of the finest adventures of my life. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Sounds like a great adventure but pretty pricey…….. White Mountains Arizona | |||
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THIS^^^^^ I know for a fact that at least some outfitters in TZ routinely add a “surcharge” to the charter costs. Since a client essentially can’t arrange a flight charter for themselves, they are at the mercy of the outfitter to arrange the flight and they foot the bill.  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I took charter once in Zim with another hunter 2,5 hrs one way and it was 1K each and the plane was seated for 6-8 people That was reasonable Tanzania is ful of crooks when it comes to charter flights Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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I was just wondering how a 206 would do. It would be enough for a hunter and quite a bit of gear. | |||
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The 206 is a great airplane. As Arjun pointed out, it's a piston engine, 300 hp. It has a max weight of 3,600 pounds, can carry 5 passengers and a range of 840 miles. As for use on a grass strip, it has fixed gear and a stall speed of 63 mph. good. The Caravan has a turboprop engine with 675 hp, a gross weight of more than double the 206, a range that's a couple hundred miles further and the stall speed is only a bit more. Comparable. I still say the Caravan is a tank and while I'm comfortable flying in any Cessna product, I love the Caravan. But the 206 is great too. | |||
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Which is all you should be paying for. It’s not the client’s job to pay for camp resupply. CAR is a small country and charter flights have to be relatively short. Hell, TZ isn’t that damn big.It’s called gouging…. And I don’t care about flying in a tank. I’ve taken enough Super Cub flights in AK that a flying tank doesn’t wind my watch. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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A Cessna 206 Seats 6, including the pilot. It has 310HP and would nicely handle pilot, 2 hunters, gear and groceries!! If high and hot, it would be nice to be Turbo'd for better performance!! 470EDDY | |||
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I see the trophy fee for giant eland is 9000 euros then apparently there is a success fee of 15000 euros? So 24,000 euros plus 25,500 daily rate, 28,000 flight, 2,850 license, plus miscellaneous??  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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You are flying in on an empty plane anyway which has a fixed cost and whatever the fight brings in, is mostly for your consumption or would you prefer an extra $150 on your daily rates which will cover the cost of an extra charter on a smaller plane? Give it a break as no charter company in TZ or anywhere else is going to lower their rates because one or more individuals think the prices are not in conformity with those back home and trying to compare the cost of a charter between TZ and wherever the posted hunt is taking place is akin to comparing apples and frigging watermelons! P.S. TZ charter costs are the same for ALL clients, hunting or otherwise; expensive? YES, I think so too. Would I charter a plane to the remotest area of the Selous? NO I would rather drive 1000kms for a full 12 hours. | |||
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There's that pesky "success fee" again. MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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In 45 years hunting Africa, I have NEVER SEEN a "Success Fee!!" What will they think on next?? 470EDDY | |||
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a business to start there ... i lived hunted and worked there in the end of the 80s and there is a reason why everything is so expensive ... | |||
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