Guys

I just posted a hunt I have available

Please let me know if you like the format.

If so it will be pretty easy to C & P

let me know and thanks

The value of advertising available hunts to me is that it allows me to make a quick decision as to whether or not I have enough interest to warrant a further inquiry into more details on the hunt. I can make that decision if the following information is provided:

Primary species or species to be hunted.

Additional animals available on this hunt.

Length of hunt.

Cost of daily rates and trophy fees.

Any additional costs and that should include all additional costs.

What is included in the cost of the hunt and what is not included.

Location of hunt to include Country and location (Conservancy, Safari Area etc.)

Contact details.

That amount of info will allow me to decide wether to make the contact. I have a lot more questions to be asked but I can do that directly with the outfitter or agent if I have enough interest. I don't agree with Aaron on letting the safari operator make the decision on the PH. I prefer to make that decision myself after evaluating the ph's experience with the species I am interested in hunting and listening to the outfitters recommendation.

465H&H

Mike,

I get requests quite often from clients wanting to hunt with a specific PH and in fact people have told me they are booking with someone else because they can hunt with some prominent PH. If I can arrange for a hunter to hunt with who he wants I'll do that (not guarantee) but if I have some misgivings about a PH and client being a good match I'll share that too.

I know of a PH well known and a great hunter but he is prone to walking his client's butt off. For a young fit client this PH is a great match. That same PH is a very poor choice for an older and less fit client. If the older client wants this well known PH he can have him if available but I'm going to advise him that he might be better off with a PH that has a less agressive style but still produces the good trophies at the end of the day.

LDK,

I also often have had clients refuse to do a hunt report here on AR because they are afraid their experience will get turned into a goat rope because it disagrees with someone else's experience.

AR is great but it also can be a tough crowd and quite unfriendly for anyone not following the unwritten rules of conduct, ethics etc that many member subscribe to.

Mark

quote:

Originally posted by 465H&H:
The value of advertising available hunts to me is that it allows me to make a quick decision as to whether or not I have enough interest to warrant a further inquiry into more details on the hunt. I can make that decision if the following information is provided:

Primary species or species to be hunted.

Additional animals available on this hunt.

Length of hunt.

Cost of daily rates and trophy fees.

Any additional costs and that should include all additional costs.

What is included in the cost of the hunt and what is not included.

Location of hunt to include Country and location (Conservancy, Safari Area etc.)

Contact details.

That amount of info will allow me to decide wether to make the contact. I have a lot more questions to be asked but I can do that directly with the outfitter or agent if I have enough interest. I don't agree with Aaron on letting the safari operator make the decision on the PH. I prefer to make that decision myself after evaluating the ph's experience with the species I am interested in hunting and listening to the outfitters recommendation.

465H&H

Bingo!!!! Well said 465H&H, and this in my opinion, is really all that should matter in the offering.

I do understand your point on the PH, but if you don't personally know any of them, wouldn't it be best to hunt with who the outfitter advises? That's what I meant, but in the case that you have a personal relationship with a certain PH, then that's all together different.

I am getting the impression that my original format is just fine.

This was brought about by some new outfitters who do not seem to bother to read any of our rules before posting, and post offers lacking almost any details.

I think it is unfair to require outfitters to have a certain number of posts before they can offer hunts.

That goes again the grain of AR, where we try to treat everyone in the same way.

I will leave this at it stands, and will continue to delete ANY offer that I deem does not meet our criteria.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
You guys are missing something that can be very important.

Sometimes, one of the key factors in deciding whether to hunt with someone will be the identity of the PH!

If you book a hunt with a "name" outfitter and you want to hunt with the "name" PH, or any other PH who is a key player in the organization, you had better say so and get it in writing up front.

Or if you want to hunt with the same PH you have hunted with before, again, you had better make that clear.

Barring anything unforeseeable, those arrangements should be honored.

Now, OTOH, I have hunted with PHs that I had never met before the hunt, and I guess I've been lucky, as we always got along very well.

Not so with hunting outside Africa however. African PHs, in my experience, have a higher level of professionalism than guides in other countries.

As for when and where the subject is raised, I would be okay leaving it out of the "ad" requirements, and handling it in direct discussions.

I have been on both sides of knowing who the guide or PH would be. On some 15 or 16 ventures to various African countries I have always agreed and expected a certain PH. Part of the deal. One time there was an emergency situationj and it worked out okay. On the other hand on only about 1/2 of the North America hunts has there been an advance agreement on a guide. Most worked out okay. I prefer to know.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I am getting the impression that my original format is just fine.

This was brought about by some new outfitters who do not seem to bother to read any of our rules before posting, and post offers lacking almost any details.

I think it is unfair to require outfitters to have a certain number of posts before they can offer hunts.

That goes again the grain of AR, where we try to treat everyone in the same way.

I will leave this at it stands, and will continue to delete ANY offer that I deem does not meet our criteria.

So you still require the PH's name??

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I am getting the impression that my original format is just fine.

This was brought about by some new outfitters who do not seem to bother to read any of our rules before posting, and post offers lacking almost any details.

I think it is unfair to require outfitters to have a certain number of posts before they can offer hunts.

That goes again the grain of AR, where we try to treat everyone in the same way.

I will leave this at it stands, and will continue to delete ANY offer that I deem does not meet our criteria.

Would it help if when an advertisement is deleted that the original poster is notified and told what they did wrong?

I realize that this would take a lot more work but I think that it would help the poster understand the error.

If you need assistance with this let me know, I'd be glad to help.

Mark has a point. Things change as far as PH's are concerned, but the suggestion of something like : PH will be mr or mrs "X" unless something unforseen happens then PH "Y" or "Z" will be available.

At least the outfitter and the area should be specified, so that this is glued in gold.

+1000000000 for only posters allowed with 50 or more posts on AR. If it is policed the way say it is, then I do not think it should be a problem as everyone of us have a number listing our postings on every comment/post we make.

How do you list guides name if your a booking agent? It is not customary to give out guides or outfitters names right from the get go. It is not economically a sound thing to do either if your a booking agent.

Saeed
please can you let me know why my post "buffalo with Save Safaris" March 10 2011 has been discontinued. I think I adheared to all creteria for posting. Please let me know so that I dont make the same mistake again.
regards

Your original post did not have any trophy fees.

Hello

I would like permission to post photos and delete some of my postings.

Nanika

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Originally posted by Jimmy Barnes:
How do you list guides name if your a booking agent? It is not customary to give out guides or outfitters names right from the get go. It is not economically a sound thing to do either if your a booking agent.

I never received an answer to this question.

Jim,

Perhaps I can shed some light here. I'm well aware of your point in that if you advertise a hunt initially revealing the outfitter and lots of details you run trhe risk of a client booking direct or what happened to me recently were another agent picked up a "Deal" here on AR that I had posted and offered it to his client with the client buying the hunt. On the other hand Saeed is letting us advertise here free so we have to roll with his rules and I'm glad to say that generally it works very well.

In my past experience before being involved in the business most ads for hunts gave a pretty general description of the hunt and it was the clients responsibility to contact the agent for further details.

Mark

Well said Michael. If there area already problems with the few basic requirements, how many more will there be with a detailed system.

Allow the outfitter to add the additional information if he wants to as this will obviously add value to his offer but to make it compulsory will give the Boss more headaches.

I am new to this site and to tell me I have to earn my right to be a member just does not sound right. It would make sense if you decided you had enough members and wanted to keep it a closed shop.