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Well, this needs to be cleared between the two of you. Or it puts an unfavorable cloud on both! Him saying for everyone to read between the lines, and you saying it is personal, on a public forum, leaves both of you with a question mark. | |||
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Agreed Saeed. But it was not necessary for him to post stuff like that on my Posts. I have never done it to him on any of his posts. he knows it is between us and he just wants to make me and my Company look bad. Thank You very much. | |||
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I am getting the impression that you don’t like anyone questioning what you do. When I raised a question about the trophy fees payment, you were quick to object that I am scaring clients away from you. If you post anything on a public forum, be prepared others might have questions for you. And you taking any question as being against you is not going to work in your favor. I don’t know you or your company, but the impression I am getting is not really very favorable! I do hope you and Reddy can clear things up. | |||
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Thanks Saeed Yes I also hope things can be cleared up between us. We will see what Happens. | |||
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Hasheem You are not beening honest saying that you have never had a problem with a hunt. To let everyone else we had to leave his main camp and take tent to a shitty spot several miles away The kitchen was a dirty spot on the ground. Same as the tents and showers. My friend never ever saw a buffalo. I will try to post photos soon. | |||
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I read a couple hunt reports from well known members here. Sounded like good trips. Happy holiday season on AR! GOA Life Member NRA Benefactor Member Life Member Dallas Safari Club Westley Richards 450 NE 3 1/4" | |||
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so did you book direct or was there and agent. Seems odd the problem comes out now unless you just did the hunt and did not have time to do a report to let everyone know of problems. It is a shame to hear if thinks happened because of lack of planning by the outfitter and ph doing the hunt. | |||
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I booked the hunt with Arjun. After the hunt he worked with him to try and solve some of the problems we had. I know he took money out of his own wallet trying to make things right. He was a stand up guy. Problem on the hunt Only hunted 7 days on a 10 day hunt Booked 1x1 but hunted 2x1 because other PH lost his license due to a wildlife violation. Ran out of beer and wine. we are not big drinkers ran low on fuel so we could only hunt right around camp. Camp was a mattress on the ground in a small tent I couldgo on forever but maybe this is why Arjun is no longer working with Hasheem | |||
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Wow that is all bad stuff for sure. I talked with others who hunted with this outfit and all seemed great even chatted with arjun and he said all was on the up and up. Maybe something have changed and not for the better. | |||
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May be Hasheem can give his side of the story. This raises another question. What violation did the PH commit?? I understand there is a game scout present on all hunts. | |||
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Hello Members First of all thanks for time Hon Saddleman for your post instead of your friends.I started Operation on 2019 in this year I looked for my own area in Masailand.Due to long process the Community Leaders gave us a letter of No Objection late April. On May 2019 we started camp set up and and open hunting road that took us almost two months. On June I applied for my hunting Quota for Irkiushiobor Makame WMA, as the days run fast and we were approaching to receive them on 1st July . We lodged for Hunting Permit but License Person told us the system is very low and at the end they told my office Secretary we were not in the system yet at that time hunters was with me in the camp. Into that situation I decided to drive to Arusha and see way forward I came up with decision to take them to my Partners Concession. The owner allowed me to stay FLY CAMP because in his main camp he got some at clients at that time, with that Option I quickly spoke to Camp Manager to take all Fly camp equipment and all staff to other Concession and they did it.Guys remember I did this because I don’t want to be seen as I screwed Clients and disappear my intention was to take this hunt happen legally and to went successfully At time we were hunting 2x1 and 1x1 basis : 1x1 was guided by me and 2x1 was guided by Mr Ally with full knowledgeable safari trackers we have been given by Concession Owner. At FLY CAMP: we had everything food,Soft drinks ,Alcoholic drinks , wines , Bottles of water ( Free of Charge),Laundry Service, Toilets, Hot and Cold shower 24hrs ,Electricity, Hunting Vehicle, Standby Vehicle,we had all Camp Staffs ( Waiter, Skinners,Security Guard,Chef etc).Guys to all hunters who went to Masailand will agree with me that hunting in masai you don’t to go very far to look for animals, you find animals close by Cattle and Goats we normally drive long way if we move from one Concession to another for a certain species which is not available to the area you are and that’s why a Ph was hunting close by because animals are there .And on other hand of Fuel it was Driver’s fault we had fuel in the camp so he didn’t refill it so that is the driver not Hasheem because I was not hunting with them but my Standby Vehicle took fuel brought to them. 2x1 they had good Hunt with Ally I can say they only missed Buffalo only but they got luck see fresh buffalo tuck and Track dagga boy several times they were not luck to bump on them as everyone knows hunting in free range is somehow challenging animals are always moving freely. 1 against 1 was guided by me, two trackers and Mr Jeff and I can say we had 100% successful Mr Jeff shot all his wishlist animals. As I always do after safari I must have meeting with Clients in the camp before we drive back to Town.With those Clients I ask for apologies to them for the situation but at least we made it happen.On top of that I did the following to them 1: I gave them “ Free of Charge Return Trip “ if they are Ok with that 2: I refunded them $ 10,420 for the disturbance and 3: I paid for CRATING & SHIPMENTS for their trophies from Tanzania to USA NB: This clarifications is to clear doubt but not to wind back stories.... | |||
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WOW. That sounds like a Zahir Mulla hunt DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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Booking clients when you do not have all the necessary clearances from the government is the ultimate let down. Sorry mate. You are the sort of outfit who should be avoided at all costs. You really expect a client who has looked forward to hunting - may be a once in a life time experience - to arrive at your place looking forward to it for months, may be years, and finds himself in a situation as you have mentioned?? I am glad both Arjun and saddleman joined in this discussion. Thank you gentlemen. This is the sort of horror stories non of us likes to hear! | |||
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Saeed Thanks for your time again.Im sure you know everything on the start of new business you must jump on challenges like those I faced at my first Safari wit this hunt BUT from them Indidbvery good with other Clients who came to us in our my area and Camp. That’s why some of them gave us good reports and reference, because we improved from the first Safari and we still improving year to year for providing Great services and taking Quality Trophies for our Clients. I agree with you that Clients come once in a lifetime in Considering that I decided to refund them $ 10,420 for such situations and ship their trophies on my own cost from Tanzania to USA . NB : This clarifications is to clear doubt but not to wind back the stories Thanks Hasheem Divu | |||
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Good day Gentlemen, I would just like to say I take my hat of for Hasheem in making a plan and still getting an area and all the necessary paperwork sorted to hunt with the clients although his paperwork for his own area was not yet sorted out. Because to hunt in another area also costs more that hunting your own area so he lost all the way on that Safari. But he made a plan and made sure that the safari will go ahead no matter what. I do not know if anyone have ever tried to work and do Business with any African Government? I am born and raised in Africa and still live here and I know all the difficulties that there is in working with the Government in any way or form. It takes time and there are bound to be hiccups somewhere along the line doesn't matter what you do. That is why they call it "Africa Time" because we can always do it tomorrow.  So I say good for Hasheem in making sure that the clients can have their safari and in refunding them and everything in the matter that he did without questioning or disagreeing with anything. And as he stated that was his very first hunt as an Operator and has grown and improved every year since then and learned and has had only good reports after that hunt. So good for him I wish him all the best of luck. On the other hand I would not say good on Arjun for joining in on this topic because him as Booking Agent booked Clients and took their money for a once in a lifetime safari for some clients knowing that there is issues with the paperwork and everything and sending them over to Tanzania without them knowing what to expect is also not the way to do it for me. Rather tried to change the date beforehand so that everything would be right for all involved and make sure all the paperwork is in order then book the clients. And I am sure that this is also not the first time nor the last time that something like this has and is going happened to any Booking Agent. But in the end a work around was made and the Safari happened. Some clients had a great experience on that safari and some had a not so great experience. That happens everyday in Africa on Numerous safaris. But everything was sorted out afterwards with all the parties involved and as Hasheem says there has been just good reports after that first hunt. As you have seen from posts from Bwanmrm and GunsCore on the forum, that was there the same year after this happened. So good on Hasheem for growing and Learning and overcoming the obstacles that pop up and doing a great Job. Good Luck and may You have many successful hunts in the future! Happy Holidays!!! | |||
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That is not the point. He should not book clients when he is unprepared! Tanzania is not South Africa, where one has access to limitless farms to go to. It seems that hunt turned out to be a total failure for some. You cannot compensate anyone for this. The client has put his trust in the outfit to provide him with a hunt they both agreed on. Making plans when your plans don’t work is great in certain situations. But not hunting in Tanzania. The client took the time, and expense of air travel, putting his trust in the outfit he has agreed with. There is no compensation for this. Well, might be, if he agrees. Offer him a free hunt, and pay all his travel expenses. I really hate hearing these sort of stories. There is no winner. | |||
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Yes it is not good to hear these stories I totally agree with You. Tanzania is not South Africa you are correct and to find a place and concession to let the Clients hunt is not bad on such short notice. But Once again it is not only the Outfitters at fault here. The Agent is Just as guilty in booking the Clients and sending them over without having all the info. If it was a total failure they wouldnt have had any trophies or nothing. Atleast they have that. But plans where made and the hunt took place. And hunts after that went done without any hiccups and great success. | |||
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I suggest you stop digging a deeper hole. Did you inform the booking agent that you have not prepared for the client? How far ahead did you let him know this? When you asked the booking agent to book clients for you, were you not informing him that you are ready? Now this whole sorry story is out, it really is very important to start from the beginning and tell the whole truth. Just bear in mind that clients are normally booked months in advance, so something definitely went wrong here. | |||
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FWIW: A booking agent will only book dates that have been confirmed as open/available by the outfitter and while I do not know Arjun Reddy personally, have noticed from numerous posts that he appears to be a seasoned and reputable booking agent. In this scenario, the outfitter should have let him know that there were organizational issues on hand and rescinded the booking until further notice or alternative dates or ultimately, redirecting the hunt to another outfitter. Clients come to Africa in search of trophies and adventure, something they wish to cherish in their memories, though adventures of a long-awaited and programmed hunt gone wrong are certainly NOT the kind of experience they wish to remember. The outfitter did well in trying to repair the damage though it should be remembered that regaining a tarnished reputation is similar to trying to build Rome in one day. | |||
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The time involved in booking a safari precludes any excuse the the PH makes. The hunt is booked well ahead. He gets paid well ahead. If he does not get his act together in time he should inform the client well ahead so the client can make alternate arrangements! With full refund. Here we have a perfect example of why no one, NO ONE, should pay trophy fees in advance. My advice to any prospective client is to refuse to pay any trophy fee in advance. If we all did, agents might get the message that this is unacceptable! Got a message asking why am I being so obstinate on this. Simple really. I am saying what I would do. Anyone else is perfectly free to do whatever he wishes. I just don’t like to let myself be a victim. Fully demonstrated in this example. | |||
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Well it seems the outfitter tried to make it right and if true the offer to come back for free was very nice plus what was paid back and for. I agree hunt should not have been booked by the outfitter as he was not ready. The agent should have not booked anyone either. To me an agent for tanz is useless if he did not see or hunt there himself. The money to hunt there is to much to go in blind in my mind. Africa time may go slow but booking knowing this is also bad and just adds to the problems that happen there. I think he did his best to make it right but over all this is very bad to hear. | |||
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The booking agent has nothing to do with it - unless we hear otherwise. The disaster was created by those in Tanzania - again, unless we hear otherwise. If the agent did not raise the question, how do we know that this did not happen? And if the agent had any hands in this disaster, why would he have brought it up? | |||
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I totally agree with Saeed on the Trophy Fee deposit issue because in the event that something goes sideways, you have very little leverage to get it righted. I have paid the daily fees but not the Trophy Fees and will not. If you pay the Trophy Fees up front you are very vulnerable to a problem. The classic one, was on here a couple years ago from a sheep outfitter wanting the Trophy Fee upfront and refundable if no opportunity was presented. You're on the side of a mountain and it's the guides call on the opportunity. It could be legit but it might not be. It's all to the benefit of everyone, the Agent, Outfitter but not the hunter! I guess it never hurts to try.
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The way thing are looking the agents and those they represent have pooled their resources, against the client. I know, their argument is there are crooked clients, which is true. But there are crooked outfits too. A bit of trust, both ways, goes a long way. The client pays the daily fees well in advance. That way he is putting his trust in those he is hunting with. They have to reciprocate this trust. It is not a one way street, as they and their booking agents seem to think. | |||
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RAR60 Thanks for your urguement it is sounding but as I said earlier on this trophy deposit is two way agreement and it will be Credited after all killed / Wounded and lost Game then if any will be refunded....!! Saeed You are good in questioning rather than arguing and if you run this Forum to the way you are doing it is not a way good...!! To my time here I can see and read your comment is always discouraging and not making....!! Before posting here I was a guest here in the Forum I went to several comment from your side is all about discouraging not teaching...then Because you are the Administrator do whatever you can do...!! I tried to clarify all about the situation but seems you are against with all post / Add in here Have nice Holiday Regards Hasheem Divu NB: This clarifications is all about to clear doubt but not to wind back stories | |||
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You are not listening. You don’t like anyone questioning your bad performance? You screw your clients, and don’t like it when that pesky fact is brought out? You took exception to me questioning you right at the beginning. Then you had a go at Arjun. Then the client you screwed shows up. And now back to having a go at me again? Bloody hell, I was bending backwards giving you a chance to clear things up. And all you do is dig a bigger hole for yourself! We still have not heard why to messed up a client’s hunt. Your sorry excuse does not hold any water, passing the buck. The buck should stop with YOU! You are running the operation, and YOU should make sure nothing goes amiss! Whatever you do, don’t try to pull the wool over AR members eyes. It does not work! We have literally thousands of days of African hunting here. Most are not saying a word, but believe me, they are listening. And what they are hearing from you is not very pleasant! | |||
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Saeed Thanks for your time and Comment This Clarifications is all about clear doubt but not to wind back stories Regards Hasheem Divu | |||
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Let me clear up a few things. Yes we did get a refund for the 3 days we did not hunt. That was for 3 people We paid for the dip and pack not him. He did offer to bring us back for free. We left our contact info with him. We really weren't interested in returning to that shit show. Need less to say we never heard from him. As far as the fuel problem he was there everytime we tried to fuel up. The biggest issue was the buffalo my friend Jeff shot. Is was a soft bossed bull shot at 150 yds with a 300 win mag. Hasheem told him to use the 300 because they may not get closer. the game scouts were standing right there and said nothing. we all know this is illegal. I should be able to post photos of camp tomorrow. I am having a frind help post. e | |||
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I can Just sit back and enjoy these posts. The back and forth between everyone. Is very enlightening. Just a few things I wonder about Why now After 3 years only is all this Coming out if the hunt happened in 2019 already? Not on BwanaMRM or GunsCore positive posts about Arjun and Hasheem back in 2019? Only now after Hasheem is trying to market his own hunts and after Arjun said something this comes out? And I would like to see the money trail on this thing that sounds the most interesting to me. Because He says he paid You back for the days not hunted and You agree to that so that is good. And he said he paid for your Dipping and Shipping of the Trophies trophies to You? You say You guys paid for it? Which makes sense to me because if I look at his post that is included in the package am I right to say that? Did the payment back to you guys for the daily rates come directly from Hasheem? Did you payment for the ahipping of Your trophies back home go straight from you to Tanzania? Or did it all go through Arjun? Because somewhere somethings in this whole story there are things not making any sense to me. I would love to have all the Parties involved around a table and find out exactly everything from the beginning to the end. That would be something to see. | |||
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The thing I find most fascinating about these sorts of threads is when other agents, operators and outfitters weigh in . . . just seems very unbecoming for another agent, operator or outfitter to jump into someone else's dispute. Most of the time doing so ends up reflecting more poorly on them than the main protagonists. Just my $0.02. Mike | |||
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Mike, This has been an interesting thread. Arjun posted because he had been burnt by the outfit. Mark and Aaron wanted me to know that the payment of trophy fees in advance is nothing new. That is all fine, as they are telling us of the current situation of booking hunts. Several professional hunters running their own operations have been in contact with me, stressing that this is not universally true. They accept trophy payments at the end of the hunt, never before. No time period was specified, but non have said anyone refused or delayed payments. This is great news, as what the agents have been stressing is not normal procedure! I can understand why the agents came up with trophy fees in advance, and the idea of escrow accounts. I think what they have failed to tell us is this only applies to trophy fees. Professional hunters want their daily rates in advance - not kept by the agent until after the hunt. One professional hunter said he does not accept clients through agents “they complicate matters” was his words. At the end of the day, a client should do his homework before making any payments. He does not pay any extra by going through an agent. The professional hunter pays his fees. That is another reason professionals would rather you book directly with them than through an agent. You might not get a discount, but he gets all your money, instead of sharing it with an agent. Tanzania does require quite a bit of paperwork for hunts. A decent professional hunter has no problems dealing with it. Logistics also require a lot of planning. Again, any decent professional has no problem dealing with it. The instances of camps running out of food and fuel are very rare, but as we have seen here, they sadly do occur even now. There is absolutely no excuse for this. You pointed out that agents who have direct interest in the current discussion weighed in. I have asked them a question regarding any disagreement after the hunt between the client and professional hunter they represent, who do they side with? And agent representing a car company for instance IS responsible for the buyer should something goes wrong. How does it work with agents in America and a professional hunter in Tanzania? In all business deals, there is always an element of trust involved. Having someone in the middle like here I am not sure helps anybody! | |||
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I am like Saeed. I have never been asked to pay trophy fees up front on any of my 29 safaris. I have often sat back and thought about the issue of me sending money for daily rates in advance, sometimes years in advance. What risk am I taking? Frankly right now, due to COVID, I have a large amount of money up on deposit all over the world on postponed hunts. I have $35,000 up on one hunt that has been up for 3 years, maybe 4. I'd probably respond negatively if I was asked or a trophy fee deposit as long as they have had my money. This hunt has been postponed twice due to COVID. Right now, I have money up on 5 different international hunts, 4 of which have been postponed over a year. Tell me I don't have risk! Having said that, I get the issue of the deposit on trophy fees. I know some of the BS outfitters have put up with . I would probably make a deposit to someone in the US but only just before I left. I would only do it with someone I trust. Would I send money to someone I had no history with in another country? Hell no! I find the story of hunts being sold when the areas had not been secured disturbing. I get the issues of the outfitter. I understand. However, someone had best tell me about this before I got on a plane. That is not good at all. Poor judgment at best. This is not the first time I have heard this out of TZ. Good luck gentlemen. | |||
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I think alot may wave the trophy fee deposit if there told no way. My main concern over all in this post was I was looking at doing a hunt with them but this raises some red flags for sure.It does seem alot were problems with the start up of a new business but wow making me rethink about a trip | |||
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“A Ponzi scheme for agents and undesirable professional hunters” Got the above from a long time member of AR! He said he wanted to say quite a bit, but decided that too much shit has hit the fans and he does not want to be affected!  Certain things might go wrong on a hunt, which no one has any control over. Other things, which could have been very easily avoided, are most certainly NOT acceptable. Fascinating the deathly silence from the agents now. They wanted to make it sound paying fees in advance is normal, and I might as well shut up bringing up. And on the subject of a dispute, they seem to have forgotten where the keyboard is too! Years ago, agents went out in the field and created a pets relationship between themselves and those they represented. Not any more. Several professional hunters have told me that a client would come to hunt with them, through an agent. Then ask if HE can become an agent, for the sole purpose of getting a discount on his next hunt! Funny enough, in all my dealings, whether hunting or otherwise, I never ask for a discount! I do my homework. Know how much what I want costs. Ask prospective companies for a price. I take it, or leave it. I have no time to hassle with some nut case half way around the world. He is not the only one I can deal with. In hunting today, we are so so lucky really. There are so many very reputable professional hunters offering their service. These are the sort of individuals who would treat you as they wish to be treated. They are the honest ones who wouldn’t even dream of screwing you up - unlike some that have only that on their minds right from the beginning! I have met a few, others I know by reputation. These are the ones I will have absolutely no hesitation in sending them any advance payments they ask for. | |||
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Booking agents have sprung up as a result of people getting screwed and clients have adopted the option of using an agent within their jurisdiction where legal action will prevail in the event they get stiffed by the operator. This arrangement probably works in favor of the client but certainly not the operator/outfitter should they get stiffed by the client and it would be the client's and agent's word against his. Agents do NOT provide this "middle-man" service for free which are not less than 15% of the advertised rates payable by the operator to the agent or vice-versa in favour to the client if he were to book directly. Any and all possible discounts are at the expense of the agent(a reduced commission) unless sanctioned by the operator to ensure his agent does not lose out on his established 15% fee (commission). It wouldn't be the first time in which unscrupulous agents purposely hike the prices in search of higher commissions and at times allow greed to get the better of self-respect and lose the deal (at the detriment of the operator). In a nutshell, one would not really need to go through an agent if they were to do their homework diligently as there are many honest and reputable operators open for business and willing to negotiate a win-win deal. | |||
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Originally, booking agents were actually required. Lack of communication was the main reason. They had personal contacts with a number of outfits offering hunts. A client has almost no other choice but to use an agent. Then every second client going to Africa wanted to be an agent. That is when the rot started. A problem arises, and they try to solve in a way which is totally wrong. Not much different to politicians enacting laws punishing everyone for a single crime. Worse of these is a professional hunter working for an outfit trying to take a client for himself. Had this happen to me in South Africa. The man I dealt with was Peter Harris. Who turned out to be a true gentleman, and straight as an arrow. One of the professional hunters he employed for our party wasted no time trying to get me to book with him should I come back again. Needless to say, to me, that is the ultimate crime. Taking business away from your own employer. Next time we went, Peter was the only person I called. And as I have imagined, he did everything to welcome us and make sure we all had a great time. Today, agents justify their existence by creating false advantages for the client, while actually protecting the outfits they represent. And as Arjun has found out, this does not always work out. From what I have read on this thread, I admire Arjun, and how he went about correcting the major screw ups by someone he represented, as born out by the clients posts. Tanzania, like all African countries. Has a large number of outfits offering hunts. Some are beyond reproach, and some are to be avoided at any cost. | |||
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Unless he is an un-experienced PH with a vested interest in the said operation.....maybe?  Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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I wish some of the agents would post, answering my questions! They were quick to point out it is normal to pay trophy fees TO THEM! In advance. But non seem fit to saying anything that this utterly, positively, NOT NORMAL! | |||
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To Danie: I told you this when you used to work for me as a PH. Do not ever discuss the business dealings of your Outfitter, with HIS clients (not yours) while you hunt with them. This also rings true for other Outfits and Outfitters. To badmouth anyone in this industry to gain your own traction OR to Honeypot someone because you might, or do have an interest in his operation, bodes nothing well for anyone......it will bite you in the ass. I speak of experience. The good thing is if you keep the moral high ground you gain the respect of your peers.....and vice versa. Do your own thing and shut up. The industry will sort the apples into the different baskets they belong. There is no such thing as the perfect hunting business. It is how Outfitters handle "sticky" issues that sets them apart. Most of the times GREAT PH's do not make GREAT Outfitters....AND vice versa of course. I hope you finally get the message? As to the rest of this threat. Caveat Emptor..... Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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Bwana the game is changing. Some operators and their agents started charging different for the Tanzanian/Zambian/Zimbabwe Safaris. Where the hunts are packaged. The agreement clearly states the trophy fee refund if the said animal is not killed/wounded. Most hunters are ok with it in a situation where nearly 90% of the hunters are American. These hunters are used to paying high dollar money for their HUNTS and not the animal. So they might go on a $50k sheep hunt and never pull the trigger. If they get the animal its $50k if they do not get the animal it is still $50k. I stand to be corrected on this, but this is how I have it with many N.A. hunts. At the end of the day if the hunter request trophy fee payment post the hunt, then I will gladly do so, but I have not had ONE hunt in 4 years where the client did not shoot something......Hence Aaron Neilson's comment about keeping trophy fee money in escrow.... Most of us, these days, have a credit card payment machine in our camps (Tanzania) as well as proper internet connection. Most guys pay before they leave camp. Now it may be a big change as to how you and your friends do it, but MOST of the industry do it this way these days, whether it is right or wrong in your opinion Bwana. Always have a written agreement clearly stating the terms of business, and what is included and excluded. You happy? You sign and pay. You no happy? Do not sign and do not pay. Get a piece of paper that list what you are happy with and how you have to pay......my take on it in any case..... An Outfitter not delivering on a hunt is a completely different story all together and not what is addressed here. Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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