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For those that have been askin for a hunt report ,To say the least it did not/has not happened. I have opted out of this 'prize' and have no objection to the next runner up being offered this opportunity.Gentlemen i wish you goodluck. To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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my guess is 29.5" "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Closed. Alex Nielsen | |||
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Can you tell us what had happened that you did not go on the hunt? And Alex, who is the second in line to take the hunt? | |||
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I have received an answer from Shukaree, I am still waiting from an answer from AJN Hunting. Alex, your reply would be much appreciated. | |||
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It always amazes me when agents post curt replies to threads. Surely its not too difficult to write a sentence or two rather then a one word answer which can easily be misconstrued. | |||
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Firstly I apologise SWS for the short response I did this via my phone as I have been away and wanted to indicate the competition was closed. As I understand the situation my PH and Dmello (winner)tried to arrange some dates for this January to March. This was vital to us as we wanted the promotion and the hunt to take place at this time. Sadly Dmello couldn't make these dates. This was when Paul contacted me in early Febuary and asked if I had any other ideas to fill the spot over the next 6 weeks. I contacted some of my previous clients to see if they wanted to take the opportunity at short notice with the agreement that they would make a considerable donation to a charity I support in the UK. In hindsight, this may not have been the most ideal outcome, however with such short notice, both my PH and I felt that dealing with someone I knew would be the most effective way to organise a hunt at such short notice and with the added gain of him supporting a charity. I hope this has cleared up the matter if anyone has further queries then please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind Regards Alex Alex Nielsen | |||
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Alex, I have all the correspondence between Paul and Shukaree, and if I remember rightly, there was no stipulation of time period that he had to take the hunt. You deleting your original offer does help either. Also asking the next in line to make a substantial donation is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Your offer was of a free hunt, for whoever guesses the measurements. And the winner should get a free hunt, nothing attached. It is up to Shukaree if he wishes to post all the relevant details. Please do not post any more hunt offers on AR. | |||
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If that is your judgement. Fair enough. I cannot complain I was put in a difficult situation due to the organisational issues and I tried to make the best of what I was asked to do by my PH. I wish you and AR all the best. Kind Regards Alex Alex Nielsen | |||
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You made the offer, make it right. Its ridiculous to make offers and not include so called "stipulations" | |||
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Wow! Both interesting and disappointing! But, there are still some free equines that don't need dental work! As some of you may know, I participated in the Infinito drawing for a safari several years ago. As a winner and participant, I want to say that Charl worked with me every way he could and when we finished planning, we found a mutually convenient time (I was already going to be in Deka). We pulled the trigger, so to speak, and I was most satisfied with the result. It was fun to speculate about possibly winning before the drawing, then planning the trip when Charl emailed me that most amazingly I had won.. and then most importantly, upon arrival Charl showed me a great time from feet on the deck at Tambo, to hunting great trophies, then enjoying good food and drink and making a lasting friendship. That said, earlier this year, I got an unsolicited email from one of the members (not an outfitter or P.H.) on AR that contained an offer for a contest to win a free East Cape safari. To enter, I had to forward the contest application to five more guys (as did the fellow who forwarded it to me, I guess). Figuring that I had nothing to loose, I sent the invite to some of my hunting buddies. Dang, if I didn't win. I did some research (mostly here contacting A.R. members from the East Cape who were familar with the safari company) and discovered that the folks are well know in the industry and most reputable. I'm now looking forward to five days hunting with Cape kudu, impala and blesbok for free as is pick-up from Port Elizabeth and about everything but the tip. Of course, I know that the owners will want me to take some other game, and I will, most probably, but, still, particularly since I've never been to the East Cape, I'm looking very forward to my "free" hunt. I'll even visit some A.R. members while there. Can't beat that! So, I guess what I'm saying is that there are some gift horses that you can look in the mouth and find that all the teeth are there. So, I can't wait until I get back on DL 200 again. 23rd time, I think.... And, it's always good... bumps and all. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Just the kind of promotion you need to do for an Agent/Outfitter: Will change the rules of the game to suit expediency. Sad really. | |||
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Did you ask your mate Paul? are you no longer in touch, or were you sniffing around for info.Oldest trick in the book mate,when scheming one should at least try to be clever. To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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I thought it courteous to offer Paul a choice as to the timing of the hunt, he responded by telling me 'my time was VIP'. From the onset i had indicated Oct 2013. I kept Paul abreast of every development. I never got a quote on Taxidermy. The change in tone became very apparent. I gave both of you lots of opportunity to do the right thing. Being mindful that you do this for a living, i did not post any details i here but tried to do this gracefully, even though both of you simply ignored my emails. The runner up not being offered the prize, and the post being deleted tells me things are not above board. Had either of you say to me you were having organisational issues rather than trying to hurry me up, you would have found me most accommodating. I spell my name Milburn D'mello To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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Shukaree, I would like to put the record straight. I met Paul Luff through a third party. He told me a lot of stories about his hunting career and suggested that we work together. He had me under the impression that he had 20 years of professional hunting experience and that he was dangerous game qualified. Paul recruited Alex as an agent and I went along on the hunt helping in the camp while we were in Kwa Zulu Natal, as I am not registered as a ph in that province. At that stage thing did not work out between me and Paul. I am not going to discuss it in detail. We then went to my concession where I had to do the hunt. At this stage I only went along for the sake of Alex and his friend as the hunt was to take place on my concession. Alex decided that he prefer to hunt with Paul. I informed Alex that I have major issues with Paul and I am definitely not going to work with him in the future. The only reason I stayed on was to make sure that the hunt was done in a legal way in Limpopo as it was done under my outfitters licence. What I can confirm is that Paul Luff is not dangerous game qualified. I have checked 3 times with the authorities and they confirmed at the time that he was not dangerous game qualified. He also only did his ph license in 2007 which is far from 20 years of professional hunting Paul Luff is not a registered outfitter, so he may not arrange a hunt or take any monies from a client. I do not visit AR as regularly as I had in the past and I do not post that regularly anymore. I was told about the competition by Ann Horseman, one of my agents, when I looked it up I saw that you won the hunt and I send you an PM to find out if you went on the hunt. The fact that I did not get along with Paul's ethics and way of doing things, did not give me the right to blast it out over AR. My name was now mentioned, that is why I am posting this. Many people on AR knows me very well and they know what my reputation in the hunting business is. I totally distance me from Paul Luff and Alex Nielsen. No hard feelings to you shukaree, but I assure you there were no tricks from my side. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Jaco, you have my unreserved apology. To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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Thank you Shukaree, no bad feelings. Maybe we can have beer together someday  Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Can I just say that I've known Jaco for a good many years now and he's one of the most ethical and honest people I've met in my life and I'm proud to call him a good friend!  | |||
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I very quickly realized my mistake. To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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Saeed, I just wanted to set the record straight. Steve, Thank you very much for you support, I appreciate it very much my friend. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Jaco, That is precisely what I wanted to see too. I think we are left in doubt who to avoid dealing with in the future. | |||
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Right, Lets set a few things straight as I find it amazing how people jump on the back of someone else they wouldn’t know from Adam. I run a very successful hunting business in the UK and I can happily say hand on heart that I can’t remember the last client who left unhappy with the service I offer. This is what really matters to me and hence why I am not particularly worried about judgements people make from behind a computer. I am posting now because I have pride in myself and what I do and not because I am trying to convince anyone from AR they should hunt with me in the future, members would only need to speak to my clients who know me to re assure them I am a good person. As I did before, I apologise that the competition fell through and didn’t work out as you or I had wished. I would like to get some facts out there yes these may not mean that I have handled the situation correctly however should show you that I am not the big bad person some of you make out. What I gained from running the competition ~ Nothing!!! I have had one client from AR and he didn’t even know I had been to SA and that was for Roe Buck Hunting in the UK. And before you be cynical no this wasn’t the reason the competition fell through. So you can’t portray me as an abuser of the AR for marketing purposes because I haven’t gained sod all from the competition. So before anyone comments again like I have gained something from this then please think again... What has my PH gained from the Competition... Nothing either. In fact before you portray him as such a bastard he still paid for the Zebra, Impala and Warthog that the person who went in March shot. So therefore you can’t say he really gained much either in fact it still cost him financially. I do accept that we offered this chance and some people took a few moments to answer the competition question however that was all. In the end for whatever reason the competition failed and I am sorry for this. I have gained nothing and neither has my PH so the fact it fell through I feel it is a little harsh to be branding us in some of the ways you have. I will be speaking to Saeed and Milburn personally and offer them an apology. I would invite anyone who really feels they have something to aim at me to get on the phone and give me a call and we can have a discussion about anything you wish. As for Jaco I am not even getting involved in this. Of course I have heard a different story to the one Jaco posts here. My PH (Paul) no doubt could come on here and slag you off and say this and that. Will he, I hope not because I would like to think he is more mature than that, it’s easy for someone to come on a forum and tell a story to make another person look bad. Alex Alex Nielsen | |||
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Alex, everybody here EXCEPT PAUL has acted with honor, no stories have been told about anybody that are not true.If anything i would say you PH owes a debt of gratitude to the maturity of his peers. The reason this has come to a head is a lack of maturity on Paul's part. The correspondence with him shows a decided lack of attention to detail. 3 times i have asked him about taxidermy costs and got no response. Yes, the SAFARI is free, but what if i am faced with a $5000 TAXIDERMY BILL. I let him off the hook and did not even get the courtesy of an email. Reputations are a reflection of a persons integrity,and not a measure of their good intentions or their ability to mask their misdeeds, there can be no smoke without a fire. So, at the risk of stretching this any further, i do not think Paul can afford to come on and slag any one off, the bottom line is i won a Safari fair and square and have nothing to show for it, cos i would not put my life in the hands of a man who has shown himself to be less than 100% dependable, 7500 miles away from home. To hunt, fish and tell only the truth. | |||
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Milburn, Thank you. However from my experiences twice hunting with Paul and once a friend of mine hunting with him. He has provided a good hunt and been very good to me so I will stand by him. Yes the whole situation with the competition hasn’t ended well and I am sorry for that. In my experience this is out of character for Paul and I, thats all I will say, maybe there was more of an underlying problem who knows. I am just sorry you were on the receiving end. I hope this is now done and I will continue to speak to those involved privately. Alex Alex Nielsen | |||
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 I think all companies will make a mistake or have a problem somewhere. What sorts out the the GOOD guys from THE BAD guys is how do they go about fixing those mistakes. right now it looks bad for everyone as the finger pointing, blame game continues. right now this looks like a BAIT an SWITCH ~ FAST ONE !! Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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Alex, I don't know you from Adam and have no intention to badmouth you but would like to comment as follows on some of the posts made here: In terms of "what you gained from running this offer - probably not what you were hoping for... But then again - it was your decision to place an offer such as this on the table and create expectations by selecting a "winner" and making same public. By the looks of things your PH got exactly what he deserved if he didn't gain anything from this... If he was not a registered Hunting Outfitter at the time of arranging this hunt he might have been acting illegally by doing so (and by the letter of the Law maybe so might have you have been). He would have had to pay for the animals that was included in your hunt offer anyway and one has to assume that the intention was to get some publicity with the hope of getting more business along the way. Well, if he were doing things correctly he might have gained some future business... If not - that is his fault entirely based on what I've read here... If on the other hand your "PH" was representing an Outfitter whom he was in partnership with (with the Outfitter's knowledge and consent) when he arranged this hunt, the Outfitter cannot just walk away from the deal claiming innocence. At the very least it would have been the Outfitter's responsibility to advise you that the partnership was no longer existent + offer you the opportunity to still go ahead and market this hunt + meeting his obligations as Outftter. Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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I was the outfitter on the second part of the hunt that took place in Limpopo province. I do not know who was the outfitter while Paul was hunting in Kwa-Zulu Natal. I was not aware of the competition until Ann Horseman informed me of it. Neither Paul or Alex informed me of the competition nor was my name ever mentioned in the post where the competition was advertised While we were hunting in the Limpopo province, I informed Alex that I do not think that I will be able to work with Paul for various reasons. After Alex left RSA I have never had contact with him again until my name was mentioned in this post. The hunt for the competition was arranged in Kwa-Zulu Natal on Goss Estate near Pongola, that is also where the first leg of the hunt with Alex took place Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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