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I am posting this in response to an invitation made by a friend to bring my clients to his game farm to hunt up to 16 sable and up to 6 roan. Prices are quoted as $ 10000 and $ 9500 for sable and roan respectively. A minimum of 5 hunting days need to be booked for hunting either one of the species and a minimum of 7 hunting days for hunting both species. Trophy size of the sable can be expected to range between 35" and 42" while the roan can be expected to be between 24" and 29". It goes without saying that the first to book and hunt stand the best chance of getting the bigger animals! Individual pictures are available of each potential trophy animal. A booking deposit of 50% of the total cost of daily rates and trophy fees are to be made on booking. Any additional trophies can be hunted with a choice of almost all plains game species available at reasonable prices. Accommodation can be either in a luxury lodge at $ 450 for 1X1 hunting, $ 350 for 2X1 hunting and $ 200 for a non hunting observer. Alternative accommodation is available in a more basic facility about 30 minutes drive from the hunting area at Daily Rates of $ 350 for 1X1, $ 300 for 2X1 and $ 150 for a non hunting observer. The selection of additional game to be hunted from the more basic alternative accommodation is smaller, and prices are a bit lower too! Serious enquiries will be provided with a series of photos of the animals to be hunted. Here a good roan.  are a few for starters!Here a rather nice sable.  I anxiously await serious enquiries about this opportunity. In good hunting. Posted by Andrew McLaren Safaris with contact details: andrew@mclarensafaris Andrew McLaren Safaris' Home Page P.O. Box 31 Soutpan 9356 South Africa Tel: + 27 51 831 1110 Mobile: + 27 82 654 6474 Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | ||
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Just be glad they don't have them all pictured on a website so you can shop online. OOPS! I guess they do, sort-of. Rich | |||
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Andrew How big is the property and how long have these populations been resident there. What is the total population size and will this be an ongoing offering based on the herd's reproduction. What permits and licenses are required for these in the OFS and how long can we expect to wait for them. Is the land owner open to a safari conducted on foot only with hunters leaving each morning and being given the freedom of the farm for the day with the PH? Sorry for all the questions but I am not hunting fenced properties any smaller than 5000ha and populations that have been breeding for less than 5 years. Nearly got caught out with a guy up in Limpopo who it turns out is buying up anything he can lay his hands on and hunting it out within 6 months. I know you are quite vocal about being anti "put and take" but with Sable and Roan there are so few actual self sustaining populations that if there is the possibility of having one that is reputable then it would be great to refer people up there. Thanks Ian | |||
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What VLAM said, plus one! There is an Elk "Hunting" facility northeast about a hundred miles of us. They advertised hunts for Elk in a "mountainous" area. When a friend booked a hunt with them and got there, they had a choice of forty or so Bulls, all in a large pen. Pick one out, pay for it, and then they moved it into a catch pen so they could take the ear tag off of it and turn it loose in one of the three hunting areas. 1. a forty foot square area generally referred to as a corral 2. a one square acre area with a couple trees 3. a ten square acre area that actually had some cover. They had an Elk farm nearby where they raised them. Rich | |||
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aahh yes, the discriminating livestock hunter.  | |||
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505 gibbs I see you are obviously ignorant of the realities of game ranch hunting. This is understandable as the Peta crowd do a great job of portraying it as shooting fish in a barrel. I would like to extend to you an open invitation to come and spend some time with me in SA. No cost to you, you just get over here. There are a lot of bullshit operators in the game industry, but there are a lot of good ethical hunters too who frown upon the type of hunting you are referring to. If you take the time to review the facts before making your decision you may realize that in a country as vast as SA you will find extremes of most everything, hunting areas are no different. If you like I will even drive you through to Mozambique or Zim afterward so you can do some wilderness hunting. Looking forward to hearing from you Ian | |||
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Ian, Thank You for the very generous offer, however, it is unecessary. I have spent more time than I care to admit behind fenced properties of many sizes, both hunting and guiding. It is not my thing. My sarcasm was more aimed towards the thought that a fence of one size makes the wildlife more free than a fence of another size. No insult intended. | |||
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I think there must be some kind of misconception about RSA on this site. There seems to be an escalating distaste for "game ranches." I dont have any opinion about this offer in particular, but I simply have not had that much experience with RSA outfitters that I would consider unethical. And even taking a step back from unethical, I haven’t had ANY experience with RSA outfitters that "put and take." (Buying animals, putting them on land for the shooters, and hunters then taking those animals short periods of time afterward.) I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I am saying that it's NOT the typical situation. Most "game farms" i've been to are rather large, ie., above 10k acres, and some, even 50k plus. Furthermore, the outfitters I've hunted and worked with dont even "re-stock". They breed on their own, they die on their own. Now, when you have a 25k acre ranch with animals that are not replenished, how's that any different than hunting across the border in Zim? I've been to both, and trust me, I dont see the difference. You can’t honestly try to convince me that hunting on a 25K acre ranch is unsportsmanlike just because it has some fence. I know a 100k acre ranch on the border in Zim that is fenced…is that free-range? The last time I was in RSA, I watched an impalla and a 2000 lbs Eland jump the fence, as well as warthogs burrowing under. I've also seen giraffe go right over a fence. And I own an interest, as well as have close friends that own RSA ranches, so I know what goes on behind the scenes, ie., not completely ignorant about this stuff. Now, I'm sure there are some small "put and take" ranches out there, but this is NOT the norm, and it can’t be enough to bring such criticism from members on this board. Why all the animosity towards South Africans? Those of you who criticize RSA should be careful. They truly are Southern Africa's last bastion of hope. If they go, they all go. (my opinion, please no offense to anyone else) "Sleep When You're Dead!" | |||
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Ian, more power to you! I've got a leopard hunt booked otherwise, I might take you up on this. I'm getting supper sick of all these arrogant @ssholes on here who want to throw rocks at everyone who doesn't conform to their ideology about hunting. This is the "DISCOUNTED HUNT SECTION" not your personal attack platform. This guy is offering a hunt, and it's his right to do so....he isn't doing anything illegal. SO BACK THE F*CK OFF! If you don't want to hunt behind wire, then dont, but don't spread your bullshit thoughts in this section of this forum. This is for people who want to book hunts... Stephen- there's a group of people who will only respect african hunting if it's done in ZIM on this forum. For some reason, they believe that the only true form of hunting can take place there...because they don't have fences...blah blah blah. They look for any reason to be negative to anyone. It's ridiculous. | |||
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What's funny is, some folks who turn down their nose at fenced properties, but will hunt during the dry season in the vicinity of bore holes! The friggin' animals are so glued to what is probably the only water for many miles, you couldn't chase them away with dynamite. But that's more sporting because there's no fence, and it's in "Zim" or otherwise "real African" country. Whatever... Jeff | |||
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+1  Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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Andrew - Hang in there buddy. There are folks here who have manners they haven't even used yet. As generous as you've been to this forum, you deserve better.  | |||
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I KNOW plenty of them (Farms) may i the only one  Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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You may "know" plenty, but that's not the point. The point is that, (I would assume) most of us on this site are principled hunters, and would not choose a 250 acre ranch fenced ranch to hunt a buffalo on. Those places, though legal, are not for me. But that doesn't mean we should lump the legit outfitters with huge tracts of land with the lesser outfitters. That's just plain ridiculous and unwarranted. The fact is that there are legit and professional outfitters in RSA, that offer ethical hunts NO ONE should be ashamed to take. "Sleep When You're Dead!" | |||
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Wait just a damn minute, first of all I made my comments in reference to a reply to this post. I did not single out RSA, Zim or any other country as I hold no prejudice against any of them. I have hunted in Zim and Moz and have a couple of hunts that I want to go on in RSA when time and money permits. So to those of you trying to hide the issue by turning this into some RSA vs Zim, sit & spin  Andrew offered a hunt on this forum to come and shoot some specific animals, the animals were offered by size on a first come first serve basis, i.e. first guy gets to shoot the biggest animal. He even offered to provide pictures of the specific animals. Is this legal? Absolutely, as the animals are chattle or livestock and the owner can do anything he wants to them, sell them alive or dead, strap them to a catapult and launch them into outer orbit, whatever. However, is it tasteful? Not to me, and it amazes me that everyone acts so shocked when other hunters voice their distaste in this type behaviour because they do not want people who partake in it lumped into the same sport we love. The one thing I can say positively about this post was at least Andrew was honest about what he was offering. | |||
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Some of the posts are pretty crazy, even for me. I have yet to take a canned hunt, or a put&take farm hunt. When I read the word "HUNT" in an ad, to me that means we go out and hunt, that is look, for game animals. If the PH says "let's start here, some big ones have been seen in this area"; that's great. If on the other hand, the PH says "Farmer Jones released a really nice _____ over here yesterday afternoon for you..." That is not so great. Wild animals, non-carnivores especially, are very shy around humans. Perhaps the answer is to recategorize the buzz words. Hunt: fair chase after animals that have had no contact with humans. Wild, free ranging animals. Rarely glimpsed. Collect: pen raised, put&take, not wild or free ranging. May walk up and nuzzle your jacket pocket for treats. Rich | |||
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Well it's a no brainer that who ever gets to the hunting ground first generally has the best chance of shooting the bigger animal. It doesn't always workout that way, but it makes sense! | |||
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maybe where you hunt. | |||
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505- well I would think anywhere anyone hunts, because if you are the first in the area and have first dibs on any animal free range or fenced, you have the best chance at shooting the biggest. That's just common sense...I don't see how you could argue that! | |||
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Would you rather be the first of 20 guys to hunt a property or the last? ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Here are certainly some big misconceptions. The sable as well as the roan have all belonged to my friend for 4 or so years, and to his father before that, but on the same property. Some have been born there, but others have been bought as young weaned bullocks and then delivered to the enclosure 5 years ago. At the same time the breeding cows & young heifers were removed and these youngsters have been left to grow old and big enough for hunting. Now some AR smartass is going to ask about the size of the 'cage' in which they are kept:  I will reply to that one even before it gets asked by saying that I'm not sure, and will not even bother to make a local telephone call to ask my friend. I have been on a game drive through that part of the farm to see the herd of free ranging and successfully breeding buffalo in the same enclosure. Any animal that lives in one area for 5 years and has still not learnt to know the area well enough to evade attention from humans deserves to be shot as a put & take animal, rather than hunted as a free range, albeit in a fenced area, animal.Good herd management practice expects a land owner to basically know his animals - they are therefore regularly photographed with a telephoto lens. Anyone with even basic knowledge of photography will see that the posted photos were taken with a telephoto lens. Anyone that suspected me of offering to become involved in obviously put & take shooting, well, go think some more and clearer!  Methinks that the time is ripe for me to learn the use of another function of this forum: The “Ignore” one. I do hope to find that it means that I will simply never ever see a posting made by someone who I chose to ignore.   Three cheers for the guy who developed the Ignore function.  In good hunting. Andrew McLaren | |||
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+ 1 Some of the same people who complain about S.A. hunting will go bow hunting and put a bait pile under the tree they are sitting in and call that hunting. Some will put bait in a tree and sit in a blind next to it and wait for the leopard to climb the tree and get the bait and then shoot it and that is a great hunt. To each his own. A fenced hunt can be a trying hunt and and can be less than trying. I have been there and experienced hunting larger concessions and smaller ones. In the smaller concession where the grass is 4' tall and you are hunting warthog, you tell me that the hunt is easy even if it is in a fenced area and I will tell you that you don't know squat. The outfitter told me that I probably wouldn't get a warthog because of all the rain. The warthogs were not coming to the water holes and the tall grass made it difficult to see them. It depends on a lot of variables, but to make blanket statements when you don't know all the facts is foolish. However, we all have are opinions. Hopefully based on facts. Andrew, keep up the good work. I wish I was able to participate in the hunt. | |||
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Having hunted with Andrew last year, I can tell you few things about him: 1. He went to great lengths to describe every single venue accurately, along with the game potential for each. His description was always spot on. 2. Andrew is a sportsman in the truest sense of the word, without a doubt. If anyone wants to have (yet another) discussion about hunting on private land and sharpshoot about ethics, do the entire forum a favor and don't poach here. Do the sportsmanlike thing and hunt from the proper venue. Feel free to set bait in your own thread and see what you can hit. | |||
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