In July 2024, our government decided to reopen the bear hunting in our country. The trophy is exportable. The quota is valid only for 2024 hunting season. Here is my offer for you:
Brown bear hunting 2024
Location of the hunt: Romania -Transylvania
Price for organisation 1500 euros
INCLUDED:
• 3 days of hunting
• 4 nights accommodation (single occupancy) on full board basis excluding drinks
• All transport in hunting area 4x4
• Romanian hunting license
• Romanian hunting Insurance
• First preparation of trophies
• Preparing the papers for the export (customs declarations, etc)
NOT INCLUDED:
Trophy fees
Up to 349 CIC points. ... 7000 euros
350-399 CIC points... 10000 euros
Above 400 CIC price is 10000 euros plus 75 euros/ 1 point
Wounded and not retrieved 7500 euros
• Flights to Romania
• Rental of the firearm 50 euros per day if necessary
• Shipping of trophies to your home address
• CITES for export 700 euros
• Drinks, extras and personal expenses
• Transfer from Bucharest international airport is 150€/ hunter/ one way
• Price for non hunter..200 EUROS/day
• Extra day of hunting 500 euros

Can you tell me the available dates for the hunt please?

What city would I fly into in Romania?

Thanks,

Hello Marius.
What is the type of hunt you will do?
Thermal or night vision is allowed?
I will be interested in filming the hunt and the problems related to bear population and regulations in Romania. It will be forecasted in Spanish TV.
If you are interested please PM me to work it out

Best regards

I sent PM to both of you.
Using thermal and NV devices is allowed for wild boars, jackals and foxes. We don’t have any specific regarding the bear hunting yet.

I hunted with Marius in 2022 and had a blast. He is a very professional hunter and I saw a few bear trophies taken with Marius and compared to the Swedish bears, they were absolutely monsters and considering the ban that's been there for years I believe the odds for getting a really big bear are pretty good.

I'll give my strong recommendations to go with Marius.

What I have heard through the grapevine is no baits, only driven hunts for bears and possibility of not being able to take bear home if it scores over 400

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
What I have heard through the grapevine is no baits, only driven hunts for bears and possibility of not being able to take bear home if it scores over 400

You heard something but not from the corect source.
• bears can be hunted like wild boars for example(all the methods)
• is a size limitation of 400 CIC plus-minus an error of 5%. ( highest is 419 CIC, who is already a big bear considering the gold medal start from 300 CIC points)

What is clearly not sense at all is a Hunter is asked to pay an extra fee for bears more than 400 cic points just to find out that his trophy for which he has to pay a lot of money, will be held in Romania.
Not sense at all.

You may have right. Same rule was used in the past, just the number of CIC points was different. Despite that are many hunters who are still very interested in this hunt. Some of them just want to be in the records with one of the biggest trophy possible. As you know Romania has the biggest brown bear population in Europe.

Good morning Marius. Yes, I am right. Of course the rule is out of your control and is not your responsibility but it continuos being a non sense policy that you have to pay more when your trophy have been taken away from you.
By the way, who and when it is responsible of sizing the bears hide?

Best regards

Like European citizens we know the policy of UE regarding the brown bear. Restrictions, restrictions, restrictions…. they found Romania, with the biggest brown population to impose this policy. From 2016 when the brown bear hunting was closed was a big success for them. In July, 2024 a victory of Romanian government in this case was declared. A victory with human sacrifice, more than 20 peoples was killed in the last 8 years. Last one was a young lady. Despite the facts we can hunt brown bears inside of European Union and their policy. Let’s be happy and try to show them that this decision, to hunt bears will decrease the number of bear attacks against humans.

Im afraid they just dont mind about scientifict proof. All this is just fanatisim.
We were talking about that in another discussion opened by Saeed.
We should join up and make a big demonstration. We are ruled by idiots and corrupted goverment.
Anyway, can you please explain Who and when will measure the bears skin?

A government commission will measure the bear skins after the hunt.

Ok.
So if the goverment commission measures 415 cic the bear will be send back to the Hunter without problem right?
That commission will measure the skin in a proper way or will they strech the skin both ways while measuring it?

Really in this moment I don’t understand your post. What are you trying to say or what. If you had some bad experiences in Romania why you don’t share with us. Your concerns must come from some stories or facts. Why a government commission will stretch the skins???

I’ll pipe in
Government officials throughout Eastern Europe can be quite corrupted and maybe expect to be paid with bakschisch
It is fair question from any hunter who spends lots of money and then can be denied his trophy or held hostage in that regard
I’m sorry you guys in Romania were put in this situation but understanding foreign hunters concern is very very important and everything in this regard has to be all on table plain and clear

Bulls eye

Is your opinion based on what? How often you are traveling in Romania, and what is your experience and expertise to lunch such accusations?
If anyone had a bad experience is free to share here. To make a drama and talk generally anyone can do that.

Marius is presenting an offer and has been open with the conditions of the hunt. If you don't like the conditions, there are other options out there, no need to sidetrack the thread from Marius.

And for the record, I hunted roe deer with Marius in 2022 and that involved some interaction with authorities to fill out forms and pick up "tags" to mark the roe deer antlers for export. Worked like a charm and when I needed more (hunt was very successful) there were no issues either. Yes, I only had limited interaction with game authorities but that was smooth as ever, as was the import and export of rifle and ammo. Of course my trip is not representing the full country but compared to South Africa this was waaay more structured, safe and by the book.

Nobody is sidetracking anything.
I was just making questions regarding the strange policy stated by romanian goverment on this hunt.
I think my questions are acceptable.
If you shoot a bear that you pay accordingly to the size of the bear its very important to know Who and when will measure the bear skin.
Remarking that my doubts are on the goverment commission and not in Marius as you can read on my post.
Many idiots can enter a goverment commission my friend. It will be totally different if measure is made by an authorized CIC measure.
Another way to solve this is not pricig the hunt according to the bear skin, even more when you might end without any skin at all...and still waiting to clear up if skull exportación will be possible or it might be taken away from Hunter also.
I dont think my questions are non sense or that I am trying to hurt the offer from Marius but to clarify things completely.

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Originally posted by spanishhunter:
Nobody is sidetracking anything.
I was just making questions regarding the strange policy stated by romanian goverment on this hunt.
I think my questions are acceptable.
If you shoot a bear that you pay accordingly to the size of the bear its very important to know Who and when will measure the bear skin.
Remarking that my doubts are on the goverment commission and not in Marius as you can read on my post.
Many idiots can enter a goverment commission my friend. It will be totally different if measure is made by an authorized CIC measure.
Another way to solve this is not pricig the hunt according to the bear skin, even more when you might end without any skin at all...and still waiting to clear up if skull exportación will be possible or it might be taken away from Hunter also.
I dont think my questions are non sense or that I am trying to hurt the offer from Marius but to clarify things completely.

Exactly and I was not questioning any Roamanian outfitters either, just questioning questionable rules made by government which always makes me question their MO’s
Hell, I question wildlife authorities here in US as it is a good policy IMO to be suspicious of government officials with off the wall rulings
In this case, these questions are right to be asked and expected to be answered in details as theses are business transactions after all and lots of money involved

Brown Bear is not the only animal where the trophy fees must be payed by CIC measurements. Is very easy, if hunters are not agree with the country rules they don’t come.
I’m not expecting you to understand hunting management of a country, or some rules regarding a hunting species. Like we don’t discuss why UK or Belgium has banned the trophy import.
I would like to say that are countries in Europe where they imposed a size limit for export trophies. The biggest ones must stay in country patrimony. If hunters know the rules and legislations, will be no arguments about that.
You will be surprised to find out om how many hunters are hunting for the records not for the trophies.

Dear Marius.
In first place Romania is not stating how to bill the hunters, as long as I know it is you who decided to do it that way, and of course you are free to do it, but do not say the goverment is forcing you.
You are selling a Bear hunt, and you can ask the payment of your services acording to a CIC measure or not, that is not a rule of the country, that is your rule.
Second place, what it is a rule of the country as we have learned, is that bigger bear than 400 CIC points will be taken away from hunter. And we learn that from a post of another member of this community and not you, because in your first post you were hidding or forgetting to explain that...and then is when the questions began.

At this point, you still continue not clarifying the questions made regarding this issue.

When will they measure the bears skin??
You said after the hunt... OBVIOUSLY, but exactly when and if that is before or after the hunter has to pay the trophy fee is not clarified

Will the skull also be kept?
You still did not answer

You said there is a 5% plus or minus on the 400 CIC point rule.
What does this means? Will they kept a 381 CIC bear because is inside that plus or minus? or they will just not kept a bear unless is bigger than 419 CIC?
That is not clarify neither.

Now you are coming back to us saying if we dont like the rules do not come to the hunt.. OBVIOUSLY.
But that is not the point here, the point is you hide or forgot to explain this important issue in your first post and, even now, at least for me, things are still not clear regarding that confiscation.

Best regards

https://www.yahoo.com/news/law...olicy-180000508.html

Lawmakers vote to enact stunning policy following fatal bear attack: 'There is no other viable alternative'

Romanian lawmakers have responded to public outcry by more than doubling the annual bear hunting quota from 220 to 481. This decision comes after a 19-year-old hiker lost her life in a bear attack in the popular Bucegi Mountains.

The move aims to address what some officials describe as an overpopulation of bears in the country.

Just a different angle to the discussion of size of bears to be taken. As I read it the law is passed so to focus on the indivdual bears that gives trouble, i.e. there is a "cull" idea behind it. This may not be the biggest. So one cuold conclude that the max size allowed for export could be an insentive to harvest the right ones and not the big ones.

Like I said before, politicians seem to throw wrench into a things and don’t think about consequences and impacts on outfitters

Exactly.
Also, imagine the case that is very Lively to happen. A big bear, not récord, but lets say 450 cic is causing problems.
I dont think many hunters would like to short that one, pay a huge amount of money and bring no trophy back home.
The consecuence will be losing a lot of money and probably ending no shooting the big bears or just let the villagers shoot it.

What is the stupid thinking behind this?
If it is just the problem bears to be shot why you have to demonized the trophy hunters.
Poisoning or poaching the bears is what they want?
One Day this stupid policies will end in contracting and paying someone to kill the bears instead of letting sport legal hunters to do the job and also pay for it.
If you think this is so stupid that will never happen... come to Spain my friend.
We already have that going on here

The policy is to reduce the number of bears. By restricting the size of the bear that you can shoot, the govt. can tell their EU masters that it is not a trophy hunt. I guess it may close next year as well!!!

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Like I said before, politicians seem to throw wrench into a things and don’t think about consequences and impacts on outfitters

100%

Very few Hunt Areas have a quota for more than 2 Bears. So driven Group hunts for Bears and Wild Boars are not possible. Nobody can see the difference from a 420 Versus 450CIC bear on a driven hunt.
So baited bears are the only way to go.
A 400-420CIC Point Bear is not small but I prefer to shoot the biggest and oldest as possible.

i will add that some countries are still keeping record breakers in europe so nothing new under the sun ...

some might recall why the supreme leader stopped the hunt for foreigners in Romania when he saw two magnificent red deers trophies ...
this is not where we are and Marius is trying to make it work despite what Brussels is trying to do .. and look up how the predators hunts are not happening that much all across europe despite the huge numbers so thank you Marius to offer that hunt.

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Originally posted by reddy375:
The policy is to reduce the number of bears. By restricting the size of the bear that you can shoot, the govt. can tell their EU masters that it is not a trophy hunt. I guess it may close next year as well!!!

Finally someone who understand what is going on in Europe.

That is understood by most of us, including me and M.shy.
What I dont understand is someone offering a hunt and avoiding the fact that the trophy might be confiscated by romanian authorities and after being asked about it several days ago you still didnt answer the clear questions made.
What I am waiting for is that you finally answer all questions regarding this issue.

Best regards

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Originally posted by spanishhunter:
That is understood by most of us, including me and M.shy.
What I dont understand is someone offering a hunt and avoiding the fact that the trophy might be confiscated by romanian authorities and after being asked about it several days ago you still didnt answer the clear questions made.
What I am waiting for is that you finally answer all questions regarding this issue.

Best regards

if you are getting your answers are you goint to hunt there or are you the whiteknight on that one?

No sir.
I think the Whiteknight its you.

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Originally posted by spanishhunter:
That is understood by most of us, including me and M.shy.
What I dont understand is someone offering a hunt and avoiding the fact that the trophy might be confiscated by romanian authorities and after being asked about it several days ago you still didnt answer the clear questions made.
What I am waiting for is that you finally answer all questions regarding this issue.
Best regards

The answer is very simple. All the bears that I know available are under 400 CIC.
Other questions?

Hi Marius
It would better good if you explain to us the government policy of how the hunts will be conducted, who will be with hunter to tell him which bear is below 400 and which bear is above 400 and how you deal with the fact if guide says shooter and it turns out it’s over 400
This is what we potential customers want to hear before we agree to spend our money
After all, this is advertised hunt so all these are legitimate questions
Nobody is accusing you of anything here, we would just like to know all theses details

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by spanishhunter:
That is understood by most of us, including me and M.shy.
What I dont understand is someone offering a hunt and avoiding the fact that the trophy might be confiscated by romanian authorities and after being asked about it several days ago you still didnt answer the clear questions made.
What I am waiting for is that you finally answer all questions regarding this issue.

Best regards

if you are getting your answers are you goint to hunt there or are you the whiteknight on that one?

I think these are all fair and legitimate questions and they have not been answered in details
I think, if you wanted to hunt bears over there, you would be asking all kinda questions before you spend money on actually any hunt so god speeed on your future hunts medved and don’t blame some of us for wanted to be educated about these things

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Hi Marius
It would better good if you explain to us the government policy of how the hunts will be conducted, who will be with hunter to tell him which bear is below 400 and which bear is above 400 and how you deal with the fact if guide says shooter and it turns out it’s over 400
This is what we potential customers want to hear before we agree to spend our money
After all, this is advertised hunt so all these are legitimate questions
Nobody is accusing you of anything here, we would just like to know all theses details

Sorry, I don’t understand your first question, “the government policy how the hunts will be conducted”
I will try to answer that: exactly like the other hunts for big game. In the most hunting scenario in this world, hunters are conducted by PH or other people who has the authority to guide. Will be the same persons who are guiding a red stag hunt and they will explain the hunter wich stag is over or under 10kg. Same guides who will tell the hunter wich chamois is a male or female, or the gold medal roebuck or non medal, etc
In this particular case, all my hunting guides are experienced in bear hunting. I will guarantee that all the bears will be under the export limit legistation. In a case of any mistake of course and without any doubt that hunt is for free.