4 DAYS SHOOTING DOVES AND PIDGEONS ,PLUS NIGTH HUNT WITH SPOTLIGTH ALL INCLUDED SHOTGUNS ,RIFLES GREAT LODGING ,ALL KIND OF DRINKS AND GREAT BEEF .
HOGS ,HARES FOXES ,CATS, PUMA ALL INCLUDED IN THE NIGTH HUNT .

Unbelieveable deal!

Again

With South American wings shooting deals

May I respectfully ask how much do you charge to supply shotgun cartridges ?

I recently went to Argentina for doves and would like to return very soon. Based on my limited experience I have the following questions related to the $1000.00 price of the hunt.

Is “4 days shooting” 4 full days shooting or two ½ days and 3 full days.

What is the cost per box of 20 and 12 ga shotshells?

Does the price of the hunt include the $65.00 per day hunting license fee?

Any extra charge for pickup/drop off at the airport?

If I bring my own shotgun will you help with import and is there a charge?

What is the minimum number of hunters you need to book this hunt?

Will this hunt be conducted in the Cordoba province?

Thanks.

4 days is 4 DAY SHOOTING -
16US A BOX
YES
NO ALL INCLUSIVE IS ALL INCLUSIVE .
EVEN BRAND NEW SHOTGUNS ARE INCLUDED .
NO MINIMUN NUMBER OF HUNTERS MANY AR MEMBERS CAME EACH YEAR ALONE .
YES CORDOBA PROVINCE ,YOU CAN SPEAK WITH MANY MANY AR MEMBERS AND YOU WILL DECIDE .

YOU CAN SHOOT ONE BOX OR 100 BOXES OF SHELLS SO YOU MANAGE THE COST OF THE SHELLS .

I really intend to do this some time; maybe this fall.

I'm interested, expecially since I am now healed enough to take the beating of so many boxes of 12ga each day.

USD 16 per 25 shotgun shells

Can you make an offer if we ship our own shells

I have team of four shooters

We like to come but we have friends who have been supped into paying silly prices for shells

They shot 5000-6000 shells each gun and in the end came home with a bill of USD 15500 just for ammunition

I like to take tis opportunity to highlight this to anybody contemplating going wing shooting in cordoba

This is how the hunt is conducted

Four hunters 4000 USD PLUS 15500 USD for shells

Total cost about USD 5000 each

My question is why don't you say so in the first place in your posting so everything is transparent

Of course you are saying hunter can control how much he wants to shoot but what is the point if the hunter only finds that out upon arrival

My friend

Just like Saeed said

Offers on AR needs to be transparent

Thank you

quote:

Originally posted by londonhunter:
USD 16 per 25 shotgun shells

Can you make an offer if we ship our own shells

I have team of four shooters

We like to come but we have friends who have been supped into paying silly prices for shells

They shot 5000-6000 shells each gun and in the end came home with a bill of USD 15500 just for ammunition

I like to take tis opportunity to highlight this to anybody contemplating going wing shooting in cordoba

This is how the hunt is conducted

Four hunters 4000 USD PLUS 15500 USD for shells

Total cost about USD 5000 each

My question is why don't you say so in the first place in your posting so everything is transparent

Of course you are saying hunter can control how much he wants to shoot but what is the point if the hunter only finds that out upon arrival

My friend

Just like Saeed said

Offers on AR needs to be transparent

Thank you

What world do you live in where you're surprised that shooting 5000 shotgun shells adds to the cost of a hunt in a foreign land?

I'd certainly like to see how you would manage to ship shells into Argentina. That would be interesting. IF, and that's a helluva big, "IF" you could get it done, I would expect your final costs would be MORE than $16/box.

I have hunted with Juan Pozzi and you will not find a more above board, honest and friendly individual IMO.

Also, IMO, you have insulted his integrity and I find that personally insulting to me.

Let me get this straight, his offer is for 4 days and possibly some nights of hunting, including room, board, guns, and airport transfers for $1000US and you apparently think it is some kind of scam. WTF do you expect? Free shotgun shells? "Supped"! Indeed. There is NOT a final cost posted because THAT would depend on how many shells a person shoots. That seems pretty clear to me.

Personally, I'd go back for 4 days for $1000 and not shoot any shells and the trip would be a true bargain for the food and companionship.

With an attitude like yours, I would suggest you stay home, where you can control the costs of that extra cup of tea.

BTW, to be clear, the opinions expressed in this post are completely my own and I have not discussed this with Juan Pozzi. I'm sure he is too much of a gentleman to call you what I think you are.....but think Yiddish, and start with "P".

Seems pretty clear to me!!! EVERYTHING BUT the shells are included in the 4 day/$1000.00 cost of this offer. Are you really that dense or stupid that you don't understand this?? Import you own shells, I am sure Juan Pozzi wouldn't mind but would bet you end up with more than a $16.00 per box total.

As others have said, I have also hunted with Juan Pozzi and really suggest you stay home if you are so totally incompetant to undertand this very simple offer. Geeeez are you from another planet or what??

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:

Originally posted by londonhunter:
USD 16 per 25 shotgun shells

Can you make an offer if we ship our own shells

I have team of four shooters

We like to come but we have friends who have been supped into paying silly prices for shells

They shot 5000-6000 shells each gun and in the end came home with a bill of USD 15500 just for ammunition

I like to take tis opportunity to highlight this to anybody contemplating going wing shooting in cordoba

This is how the hunt is conducted

Four hunters 4000 USD PLUS 15500 USD for shells

Total cost about USD 5000 each

My question is why don't you say so in the first place in your posting so everything is transparent

Of course you are saying hunter can control how much he wants to shoot but what is the point if the hunter only finds that out upon arrival

My friend

Just like Saeed said

Offers on AR needs to be transparent

Thank you

Happy hunting guys

I'd certainly like to see how you would manage to ship shells into Argentina

WITH ONE PHONE CALL MY FRIEND

Gato and Larry, very well stated!

quote:

Originally posted by londonhunter:
Happy hunting guys

I'd certainly like to see how you would manage to ship shells into Argentina

WITH ONE PHONE CALL MY FRIEND

If you Pozzi lovers would just get up off your knees, pull your faces out of his crotch and take a breath maybe you’d clear your heads enough to think clearly.

The point of London Hunter’s post was that Pozzi’s ad wasn’t transparent and that is true. Anyone who’s spent any time in Argentina knows that shotgun shells are where the outfitters make all their money. Many don’t understand that fact and an advertisement for dove shooting that doesn’t mention shells is not totally transparent in my opinion.

His ads are for the most part not transparent and he’s not always totally forthcoming about substantive details of his offers. And before you start on the personal attacks like you did with London Hunter, I bet I’ve spent more time in Argentina than all of you combined and so talk from a position of some experience.

Mikey - Since you are sooooo versed on all things Argentina please give us a quote on what Mr. Pozzi actually pays for shotshells that he in turn provides to his clients. If you are not able to provide his cost factor then your statements are total BS. Please also elighten us to exactly how much time you have actually spent in Argentina so we can indeed know if your statement is correct or not. Without the exact answers to these two questions then your whole post is just BS. Simple enough, now show us the facts. Kinda like the car fax thing, or is it car fox?

PS - One other question, actuallly two? When did you become the ad police and what are your qualifications in ad transparency determination?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:

Originally posted by Mikey49009:
If you Pozzi lovers would just get up off your knees, pull your faces out of his crotch and take a breath maybe you’d clear your heads enough to think clearly.

The point of London Hunter’s post was that Pozzi’s ad wasn’t transparent and that is true. Anyone who’s spent any time in Argentina knows that shotgun shells are where the outfitters make all their money. Many don’t understand that fact and an advertisement for dove shooting that doesn’t mention shells is not totally transparent in my opinion.

His ads are for the most part not transparent and he’s not always totally forthcoming about substantive details of his offers. And before you start on the personal attacks like you did with London Hunter, I bet I’ve spent more time in Argentina than all of you combined and so talk from a position of some experience.

quote:

Originally posted by Mikey49009:
If you Pozzi lovers would just get up off your knees, pull your faces out of his crotch and take a breath maybe you’d clear your heads enough to think clearly.

The point of London Hunter’s post was that Pozzi’s ad wasn’t transparent and that is true. Anyone who’s spent any time in Argentina knows that shotgun shells are where the outfitters make all their money. Many don’t understand that fact and an advertisement for dove shooting that doesn’t mention shells is not totally transparent in my opinion.

His ads are for the most part not transparent and he’s not always totally forthcoming about substantive details of his offers. And before you start on the personal attacks like you did with London Hunter, I bet I’ve spent more time in Argentina than all of you combined and so talk from a position of some experience.

Really, you are SUCH a hunter. I note that in 2010 you posted that you had been hunting in Argentina for 6 years. Hell, you're a newbie.

I've been hunting and traveling to Argentina for 30 years since the early 80s, so why don't you tell me how experienced you are compared to the other hunters on this thread? Anything else you care to add since you are so wrong on that point? How much would you care to bet now, culo?

You are stating that we who have hunted with Juan are somehow homosexuals because we like him and his operation. In my experience, the first to mention homosexual activities are the ones who are or want to be, so that means you. Been sucking any lately? I'd like to see you tell Juan or me for that matter, how queer we are, our wives and 3 children each would be interested in your observations. So are you a verdad maricon or do you just want to be one?

I don’t know what he pays for shells and I don’t fucking care. The fact of the matter is that that is where the guys who offer high volume dove shooting make their most of their money. If you don’t know that then you’re just ignorant of the facts.

As far as my experience in Argentina, I’ve been traveling there for business since the mid-nineties and have hunted at several different locations for a total of nineteen weeks since 2005.

As far as being the ad police, you two Pozzi sycophants started it by jumping all over London Hunter in defense of you hero for making a totally legitimate observation about the Pozzi’s ad.

And by the way fat boy I speak passable Spanish and I’m not impressed with your language skills.

quote:

Originally posted by Mikey49009:
I don’t know what he pays for shells and I don’t fucking care. The fact of the matter is that that is where the guys who offer high volume dove shooting make their most of their money. If you don’t know that then you’re just ignorant of the facts.

As far as my experience in Argentina, I’ve been traveling there for business since the mid-nineties and have hunted at several different locations for a total of nineteen weeks since 2005.

As far as being the ad police, you two Pozzi sycophants started it by jumping all over London Hunter in defense of you hero for making a totally legitimate observation about the Pozzi’s ad.

And by the way fat boy I speak passable Spanish and I’m not impressed by your personal attack.

Well, for starters, a wise man once told me that in most cases, profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind trying to express itself......so I guess you've got that going for you.

You may or may not know that I have been fighting cancer for the past 5 months. I have received a great amount of support from many AR members, Dr. Juan Pozzi being one of those members. I have never met the man, but we have chatted electronically quite a bit and I for one would say he is one of the most stand up folks one might ever meet, which I'm sincerely hoping to soon.

Your posts are offensive and illustrate your lack of both civility and intelligence.

quote:

Originally posted by Carolinasman:


Your posts are offensive and illustrate your lack of both civility and intelligence.

Really???? Just what exactly did I say about Juan Pozzi that was offensive to you?

Mikey - Thanks for proving my point about you.

You don't know what Mr. Pozzi pays for shells but you accuse him of ripping off his clients.

Your experience in Argentina seems miniscule to some of us here so again.

Your potty mouth when confronted pretty much sums up you intelligence and social status. NOT BULLSHIT!!

Have a good day, if you can with that attitude, and hope we don't have to actually put up with you somewhere in Argentina in the future.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:

Originally posted by Mikey49009:
I don’t know what he pays for shells and I don’t fucking care. The fact of the matter is that that is where the guys who offer high volume dove shooting make their most of their money. If you don’t know that then you’re just ignorant of the facts.

As far as my experience in Argentina, I’ve been traveling there for business since the mid-nineties and have hunted at several different locations for a total of nineteen weeks since 2005.

As far as being the ad police, you two Pozzi sycophants started it by jumping all over London Hunter in defense of you hero for making a totally legitimate observation about the Pozzi’s ad.

And by the way fat boy I speak passable Spanish and I’m not impressed with your language skills.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Larry Sellers:

You don't know what Mr. Pozzi pays for shells but you accuse him of ripping off his clients.

Please point out where in this thread that I accused your hero of being dishonest or ripping his clients off. Put up or shut up....

Sorry but i lost ,the figth ,it wasnt my intention ,to offend anyone ,my ofert is very very cheap if you think a moment about it ,i include brand new shotgus too ,the cost o shells is 16us but you can shoot what you want .Many Ar members hunted with me and some of them came many many times ,and tayed at home ,so please understand that they considered me a friend and figth for me like any good friend i the world .
BUT HEAR THERE ISNT ANYTHING WRONG ,YOU CAN CAME SHOOT DOVES ,PIDGEONS AND PAY 1000US PLUS THE SHELLS 16US A BOX ALL IS INCLUDED PERIOD.I TRY TO DO MY BEST IN MY HUNTS SOMETIMES I GET STUCKED IN THE MUD ,SOMETIMES 4X4S GOT BROKEN ,LOST DOGS ,HAVE ACCIDENTS AND SOMETIMES SPECIALLY IN BIG GAME I DIDNT GET MY TROPHYS ,BUT I DO MY BEST .
JUAN

quote:

If you Pozzi lovers would just get up off your knees, pull your faces out of his crotch and take a breath maybe you’d clear your heads enough to think clearly.

Dear Mikey this is offensive ,not only to me but to my good friends ,im a warrior and served in my country and and i consider this a personal offense IM TOTALLY SURE THAT IF YOU WOULD BE IN FRONT OF ME YOU WILL NOT OFFEND MY FRIENDS OR MYSELF .But at thousands of kms everybody can be brave .

I hope to meet you personally one day and demostrate you that im a man of honour that will do what he promised period .
Juan

Mikey im a gentleman and an infantry officer ,DrJuan Pablo Pozzi trained me ,shooting with pistols ,shotguns and rifles ,unarmed combat and knife combat ,he was one of the best shooting instructors in the country and hes a great warrior hunter ,he lives and breath the BUSHIDO code ,and HE WILL FIGTH FOR HIS HONOUR OR HIS FRIENDS .MANY of his friends are ex clients and hunters but he respects above all veterans so he offered free hunts in the past for vets.
Hes a gunwriter,shooting instructor ex soldier, and perhaps one of the most educated PHs in the country ,do you know hes a famous laparoscopic surgeon too ,he lives what he preaches. For example carolinasman illness affects him deeply and i know that he will do anything to invite him to hunt with him just to help this man .
IM NOT OBJECTIVE BECAUSE HES MY FRIEND AND IM VERY PROUD TO BE HIS FRIEND.
YOU ARE A COWARD THAT OFFENDED AND HONOURABLE WARRIOR .

Good grief. What a mess AR has become.

Juan:

When I decide to hunt your country, I will surely
contact you.

Please disregard the ignorant comments that have been
posted. I'll surely assume they are the minority. I would
feel sorry for the Outfitter that has to hunt with them.

Juan sounds like a class act to me. In all ways. Mikey ???? (and I have always been considered as an incredibly kind dude)

FWIW,

Being an old fart I try to do most of my business with friends or folks that have been recommended to me. I often say to those folks, "charge me double". Now I know that they are not going to do so. But by that statement I mean that I expect them to make a profit. I want them to be profitable in their endeavors. When they do business with me I expect them to treat me as they would want to be treated and I want them to rest assured that they will be well compensated. That way, they are always happy to do business with me and are glad to see me return. Juan has posted here for years. I do not recall any instance where there has been anything but superlative comments in his regard. I know at least two gentlemen that post and have posted a number of years here that have hunted with Juan with only the best reports.

So with that in mind, Juan, should I be fortunate enough to hunt with you in the near future, "charge me double", cause from what I've been told I'll enjoy the pleasure of your hospitality at least three times more than I would anywhere else.

Best

GWB

I have never been to Argentina but it is on my bucket list. Juan sounds like a great guy. I will be in touch with him soon.

Mr Mao Tse Tung, LondonHunter, and the other fool, Mikey49009.

Can either of you read the English language? I thought Dr Pozzi made it very clear. A box of shells is $16.00. 25 shells to a box. If you shoot 1,000 rounds, and one would have to be an idiot to do so in my opinion, that would be 40 boxes of shells or $640.00 bringing the total cost of the hunt to $1,640.00. What could be more transparent. This also includes the use of his shotguns, saving the firearm entry fee for bringing your own.

And this includes food and drink. A true bargain. And yes, Dr Pozzi is my friend and I have found him to be an honorable man. All friends that I have referred to him have been more than satisfied with what he has done for them.

Shipping your own shells. What dream world do you live in even thinking you can ship your own shells to Argentina.

I am not trying to insult either of you, you have more than accomplished that on your own.

My advice to my friend is to avoid doing business with either of you at any price.

And, Juan, you need not bother to even try to apologize to these two fools. One thing I have long learned in life is that you cannot satisfy everyone. A man must do what he believes is right and live by his own code of honor. You do that very well, my friend. I will be back in May or June, and happy to shoot one box of shells, eat five pounds of costillas, drink two liters of Quilmes, and enjoy you and the company of your family, Marcos and the rest of the hombres I have come to know so well. Un gran abrazo, amigo.

I dont even understand why they insulted me and my friends ,really its difficult to understand this....

quote:

Originally posted by juanpozzi:
I dont even understand why they insulted me and my friends ,really its difficult to understand this....

Juan, don't try to understand. You never will. If you read all the posts you will see that you have friends.

Juan will your offer still be good in March &
what are your average day time high temperatures in mid March?
Thanks

Yes you can came in march temperature is about 20 degrees during that month .

Juan my friend, thank you for continuing to offer outstanding hunting opportunities. To be honest, having never hunted Argentina, I likely would not have thought about shells and the cost. It is just a shame that this thread got a bit out of hand, but this is no reflection on you, and as always you are a true gentleman.

I look forward to a future adventure with you!

quote:

Originally posted by juanpozzi:
I dont even understand why they insulted me and my friends ,really its difficult to understand this....

Don't worry, Juan, I also don't understand. Your offers are very fair and from the uncountable positiv reports it's very clear that you are an excellent outfitter. Looking forward to hunt with you some day soon!

Juan, I will be back in May...keep costillas on hand, along with cold Quilmes stout....
y tal vez unos pocos perdices

Now I have absolutely no dog in this fight at all. I have seen a few posts offering this wing shooting and am very interested. I would love to do some high volumne dove shooting and swill fine malbec wine with Argentinian beef. My only reticence is that the original offer as quoted here

quote:

Originally posted by juanpozzi:

4 DAYS SHOOTING DOVES AND PIDGEONS ,PLUS NIGTH HUNT WITH SPOTLIGTH ALL INCLUDED SHOTGUNS ,RIFLES GREAT LODGING ,ALL KIND OF DRINKS AND GREAT BEEF .
HOGS ,HARES FOXES ,CATS, PUMA ALL INCLUDED IN THE NIGTH HUNT .

is not very clear on what it does and does not include. Compared to most of the Africa offerings that list exactly what is included and excluded, it is positively cryptic.

Saeed's rule are pretty clear:



Posted 26 October 2009 18:38
Ladies and Gentlemen,

This Forum was setup to help both hunters looking for hunts and outfitters who have special offers that others might take advantage of.

Please make sure the hunts you are offering meet the following:

1. FULL details and prices to be posted. Putting a link to your own site and saying that details are available there is NOT acceptable.

2. You can only offer hunts that you are conducting yourself, or you are an agent for the PH that is going to be conducting the hunt.

3. Posting a hunt for a third party is NOT acceptable.

4. Your FULL address, plus a working phone number, MUST be included

5. NO links to be posted on other forums pointing to your offer!

Any hunts posted that do not meet all of the above will be deleted.

Your co-operation in this will be appreciated.

Any offer that does NOT meet the above conditions will be deleted.

Senor Jaun, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a gentleman and an all around good guy. I would ask though, that if you followed guidelines above, most of this ridiculous drama could be avoided. I for one, would much more likely to use your services if they were initially transparent. Oh, and minor point, please release the caps lock button! (you are "shouting")

Kind regards and good shooting,