Hi there Guys

well, I am the new kid on the block and new to this so here goes. I have read some of the topics and seen the photo's it is great, Iam also a PH & Outfitter and it gives me goose flesh to see how the guys and dolls are hunting and doing a great job, especially the PH's keep it up guys nice trophies.

Well, I thought of throwing in some Buffalo to hunt in South Africa 7 of them in fact, 36" - 40" hard bosses for $15 500-00 all inclusive. Some lion between $ 22 000-00 & $26 000-00 depending on age.

For further info I can be contacted at:

e-mail dennis.snclair@gmail.com
Mobile:+27 82 371 7315
Home: +27 17811 4759
16 Veldwyk Avenue
Ermelo
Mpumalanga
South Africa

Cheers

Dennis Sinclair
Izingonyama Training Academy,Hunting Safaris & Taxidermy

Uhh, Dennis, you have started your AR journey on the wrong thread...try the Outfitters..Offered Hunts, if you really have something.
Maybe our RSA professional folks can guide you.
Maybe.

Welcome to AR Dennis, thank you for sharing your opportunities.
This is the area where posting of specials is shared.
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=corfrm&cf=832100588

I hope to see some of your posts, stories and photos in the future.
Frank

Why would anyone pay $15K to hunt a fenced buff in RSA when you can have the real deal in a real concession in Zim for $10K, or even $7500 or a bit less at the end of the season?

Russ,

is that the total cost from the airport and back, and everything in between?

Rich

Right now you are looking at US$10k for a buff hunt in a good area including road transfer, all trophy fees, daily rates etc but not including tips etc.

A few of the lads may be cutting that a bit but then they are cutting the number of days as well. Sure you can do a quick and dirty 5 day buff hunt, but it is a hell of a long way to fly for 5 days...and most hunters spend at least 3 days finding their 'legs' so that leaves two days of quality hunting...

If you are ever tempted to come out for a cheap 'budget hunt' pan on a couple of days in Harare or vic falls before the hunt to rest, and catch up so you can be on top form for all the hunting days.

Ganyana:

You could also suggest that the prospective hunter "rest up" in Vic Falls by rafting the Zambezi. A pleasant up and down the gorge is a great way to "find their legs", don't you think.

I agree with Ganyana. There are a lot of good 7 day Buff hunts being posted at afforable rates (under 10K), but you will enjoy the hunt and perform better if you spend an extra day before the hunt "relaxing". I did that this year in Vic Falls and will plan an extra day in all my future hunts, it really made a difference.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
Why would anyone pay $15K to hunt a fenced buff in RSA when you can have the real deal in a real concession in Zim for $10K, or even $7500 or a bit less at the end of the season?

Well, Firstly this package is in South Africa & not in Zim! Secondly these Buffs were booked for clients who cancelled and so far there are only four left so there are clients interested in the package.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Russ,

is that the total cost from the airport and back, and everything in between?

Rich

Yes, it is the full package except Taxidermy costs and tips.

I know the lion are canned, but are the buffalo as well?

Buffalo hunts in RSA are, for the most part, for a bull that you can request photos of in advance. Only a small number of properties are big enough to hold enough buffalo that you are hunting an unknown entity.

In my opinion, that makes RSA an inferior choice to Zimbabwe when it comes to a buffalo hunt.

"Russ,

is that the total cost from the airport and back, and everything in between" I sense that the poster is trying to make a point here, but I am not sure what his point is.

To answer the question... No, that is daily rates and trophy fees. You will pay extra for dip/pack, taxidermy, tips, gov't levies and charters, just as you will in RSA (except perhaps the levies, that's a Zim thing that runs about $175 on a typical buff hunt). You can save the charters by riding in and out with the PH, but that will consume a day of your hunting time. It still comes out a lot cheaper than the hunt offered in RSA, which is by definition a very late season hunt (that someone else has apparently already paid a deposit on ...), and thus priced at 2x what a very late season hunt in Zim will sell for.

The $7500 figure is for an end of season "left over quota" hunt in Zim -- in other words October/November. Otherwise it's just like the $10K hunt in July or August. Same area, same outfitter. Sometimes (when the price seems almost too good) the outfitter will impose the condition that the hunt ends on the day you get your buffalo, while other outfitters will allow you to hunt the full number of days for any remaining PG quota, or perhaps spend the extra days fishing for tigers (very good in Nov), or shooting birds.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russ Gould:
Buffalo hunts in RSA are, for the most part, for a bull that you can request photos of in advance. Only a small number of properties are big enough to hold enough buffalo that you are hunting an unknown entity.

In my opinion, that makes RSA an inferior choice to Zimbabwe when it comes to a buffalo hunt.

"Russ,....
QUOTE]

What kind of crap is this? If you want to promote the virtues of hunting in Zimbabwe or any other African country vs South Africa start a thread in the African hunting forum.

Why would someone come in and crap on anothers offer? If there is something wrong with the offer other than; it's too much, it's in the wrong country bring it up.

I know you would want to offer your hunts here without them being picked apart because of the area so let others have the same respect.

Interesting - A Thunder Stick with a very short fuse - sounds like a dangerous combination to me !
Looks like you have trouble respecting other opinions yourself.
Personally I thought Mr Gould's observations were right on the money.
Canned hunts are just that, regardless of the venue.

I think it would be helpful if Mr. Sinclair could tell us the size of the properties and/or concessions these buffalo are to be hunted on. I know a couple guys who hunted their buffalo in 600 acre enclosures and I know guys who have hunted buffalo on 40,000 acre private properties. Both were in RSA and Russ is right about seeing a photo of a buffalo upfront for the 600 acre hunt, but not for the 40,000 acre one. I think size definitely matters in this case, but I don't want to get too preachy about this. It does sound like a pretty good deal for a buffalo hunt in RSA. Good luck in selling these hunts.

Russ,

Of course hunting buff in Zim is cheaper, and it is in the "wild open, unfenced, free, food depraved, poor" Africa, which make it such a more grandeur experience. Of course with the huge demand in Buffalo trophy quality stays above the 40" mark. I love Zim, I love hunting in Zim, and I will continue to support the hunting industry there, BECAUSE of the folks that make a living there. The same goes for my own country's hunting community and Mr. Sinclair.

I feel every hunting oppertunity in the world have it's place, and to generalise Buffalo hunting in SA as being canned, is not good nor right.

I have hunted, and offerd to hunt Buffalo on various sizes of Game Ranches, and we have photo's of some, and others not. A lot it is on Game reserves. Is it canned? No. What is the def. of canned? With the Lion issue the government's biggest challenge was to define "canned". They smacked a label of 2000ha or less onto it.

You know how big 2000 ha of real bushveld is Russ, we all know you do. So 2,000 ha of Bushveld can easily support a herd of about 60 buffalo, which should give you a huntable bull a year, at least.

You offer PG hunts in South Africa for sale, do you not? Remember, according to most of the uninformed Bawana's on here, ALL hunting in SA is "canned". So then you should not hunt in SA at all Russ.

It's good to see you are back in such vehement force.

Leave the guy to post his hunt, if he sells he does. We all know people do not realy buy DG hunts on AR..........

[/QUOTE]The $7500 figure is for an end of season "left over quota" hunt in Zim -- in other words October/November. Otherwise it's just like the $10K hunt in July or August. Same area, same outfitter. Sometimes (when the price seems almost too good) the outfitter will impose the condition that the hunt ends on the day you get your buffalo, while other outfitters will allow you to hunt the full number of days for any remaining PG quota, or perhaps spend the extra days fishing for tigers (very good in Nov), or shooting birds.[/QUOTE]

And here lies the truth in it, HIJACKED!

I would pay the same to ride out with the PH and back, as long as he does not mind someone wanting to stop every so often for photographs. That was one of the highlights of both trips I have made to Africa, the overwhelming beauty of RSA and Zim.

Rich

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Originally posted by infinito:
. We all know people do not realy buy DG hunts on AR..........

???

I would like to know, after this reply. How many folks have booked DG hunts on Ar.....

My sincerest apology if wrong, BUT most of the outfitters that realy have good DG hunts to sell on Ar are known to me, and very few of them have sold DG hunts here.

I personaly have booked 2 DG hunts on AR....so cannot complain.

I can only speak for myself but only me 2 leopards, buff, elephant the last two years. I have a couple of AR friends and they must have taken atleast 10 eles just from booking here.

AD

HELLO GUYS:
RELATING TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS OFFER, WITH A TRIP HIZE OFFER 1 LEON + NiAl, for $ 20,000.
MY SURPRISE - A CATALOGUE OF PICTURES OF LIONS TO CHOOSE.
BUFFALOES $ 10,000 BEHIND THE LAND ROVER, LICKING THE REAR
Caracal A COLLEAGUE TRIP, AND YOU FAIL TO BET AND WAS FULLY ANIMAL DRUGS. (OF COURSE ME nege HUNT ANYTHING IF YOU CAN CALL THAT GAME)
SOUTH AFRICA: FIRST TARGET IDEAL FOR SAFARI AND HANG 8 OR MORE ANIMALS OR MORE OR LESS.

CRITICISM IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE PROFESSIONALS OF SOUTH AFRICA, BY CIRCUMSTANCES hunting trip to South Africa MORE THAN 5 TIMES A YEAR, A GOOD FRIEND OWNS A FARM IN THE ORANGE FREE STATE, AND THEREFORE AND HUNTED ALMOST ALL SPECIES SOUTH AFRICA, TO MEET OTHER PROFESSIONALS, AND HUNT DIRECTLY TO PRICE OF FARMER, NOT EVERYTHING IS POT-BLUE-RED Diker Diker-Vaal Rebok. ECT, BUT everything will come, but hunting in South Africa: LIONS-Buffalo - HYPO-COCO -INCLUDING RINO, is absolutely shameful.
(OF COURSE IS MY OPINION)

SORRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT

Charl,

I met you once in the airport but other than that you don't you know me at all nor are you qualified to comment on what I do or do not sell on AR. A good bit of my business is with people that are members of AR or folks that monitor the sight regularly. I assure you DG is what people most often contact me about. I assure you AR members have bought everything from elephant to duiker through me.

As to the RSA buff hunts I will say I've been on property holding buffalo in Limpopo that would offer a heck of a hunt. The cover was incredibly thick and the buffalo wild as anywhere.

Mark

Mark, can you please refer me to where I commented on your business? I'm a bit dumb founded by your remark here, sorry if I miss something.

An outfitter by my def. is not the same as with you. In my country the term is defined by law, and every guy that books hunts cannot just call himself an outfitter. The outfitters I reffered to are outfitters in AFRICA.

I did nowhere give the impression that I know you from anywhere to anyone.I agree I met you once, only because I thought it cordial to do so when I recognised your face (since it is on every post you make). Must say I'm a bit surprised about you jumping up about this.....

My sincere apology to most outfitters and agents if I got the cat by the tail. It is good to know so many people book DG hunts here on AR. Just wish we can see more of the results of the same on the hunting report.

I just got a bit fed up with people knocking the hunting in our country. Just because there are a few bad apples, and by now, they are known to the world.

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
I would like to know, after this reply. How many folks have booked DG hunts on Ar.....

My sincerest apology if wrong, BUT most of the outfitters that realy have good DG hunts to sell on Ar are known to me, and very few of them have sold DG hunts here.

I personaly have booked 2 DG hunts on AR....so cannot complain.

well, so far a Zim buf hunt and Moz hippo/croc hunt booked on AR in the past 18 months. and both were exceptional hunts in truly wild areas( Martin Pieters Safaris and Kwan Safaris).

There have been hundreds of hunts, maybe thousands, booked as a direct or indirect result of AR's existence, thru member posts, hunt reports, PH and booking agent's ongoing presence, loyal hunter referrals, etc. I'd bet tens of millions of dollars transacted over the years.

On this particular Hunts Offered forum, I personally know of quite a few DG hunts that were booked as a direct result of ads placed.

The outfitters and PH's and agent-consultants that take care of their clients do well on AR, those that don't fizzle out quickly. Live and die by the sword!

I have periodically posted hunts for friends- end of season specials or a new operator getting going...considering the number of folk who frequent AR the Immediateresponce has always been underwhelming...like not one. Many people have booked later and quite a bit of buisness has come in from AR but it is like the SCI shows....the first three years you are mainly just getting known. in the 4th year you suddenly start booking and by year 8 you don't need to bother going

For an outfitter I would still say participation on AR is worth more than a booth at SCI but immediate results are seldom forthcomming...and of course, a few folk shoot themselves in both feet with bothBarrels when they offer hunts (RAY where are you - you lying toad)

That settles it then. There are hundreds of DG hunts booked on AR every year. Wonder why so few hunters post there reports then. Or maybe it is just that they forgot to say that they booked the hunt on AR....

Any case, it is truly good news. We book a fair bit of PG hunts on AR every year,and it is like Ganyana said, it took about three years before clients started to trust us and to know that we are a solid outfit.

I don't think anyone is obliged to post a hunting report regardless if the hunt originated from posted hunts on AR or otherwise.

Posting a hunting report is a personal choice I guess - some like the publicity, others don't.

Thanx guys, for comments etc. but all the buffs. are sold THREE FROM THE ADVERTISING ON AR!
I have five cows on 2500ha of land for $ 4 500-00 still waiting for confirmation on what is all included. Please! I dont sell canned animals & I do all my hunts and marketing legally. The work I do I enjoy I don't have to impress anyone to get what I want and a client always gets what he has paid for & somtimes extra and with excellent results.

Dennis,

I tried to back your post up here, and got roughed up a bit in the process, now you want to tell me you sold THREE South African Buffalo at $15,000.00 a piece?

Well done is all I can say.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
I don't think anyone is obliged to post a hunting report regardless if the hunt originated from posted hunts on AR or otherwise.

Posting a hunting report is a personal choice I guess - some like the publicity, others don't.

I cannot agree more Sir, I did not imply that it must be posted, I just commented that it is strange it does not, as most people do.

Any case, Dennis reckons he sold three South African Buffalo on AR, so everything I said was total bullshit, and I must then take my leave...

Charl, if you read his last post you will see that he sold all seven SA buff (three via AR)presumably at $15K each!!!! Recession, what recession????? Got to ask what is so special about those buff when many reputable outfitters are offering end of season specials at nearly half that??? And they were mature, representative bulls between 36-40", nothing way out of the ordinary!!
JCHB

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Dennis,

I tried to back your post up here, and got roughed up a bit in the process, now you want to tell me you sold THREE South African Buffalo at $15,000.00 a piece?

Well done is all I can say.

I think i have a BUFF for sale (lucky advertised in the right section) and with photos of the culprit...lol


Russ,

I hope it isn't a 'canned one'...

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Dennis,

I tried to back your post up here, and got roughed up a bit in the process, now you want to tell me you sold THREE South African Buffalo at $15,000.00 a piece?

Well done is all I can say.

Thanx Charl I appreciate it, guys like you have broad shoulders and can take the punch. Maybe we will meet one day. Keep up your good work!

hell, as slow as i type, it took me 2 hours to write up the buff hunt i bought here. i think some folks are like me as far as typing skills( or lack therefore) and don't want to take the time. for me, it was a labor of love and i would have felt bad about not giving kudos to the people who worked their asses off to give the me the opportunity to succeed. congrats on selling your hunts and welcome to the best website on the internet concerning all things Africa( and beyond).

Jerry, congrats on a great buff hard earned, a TRUE trophy.
Brad

In response to various critics, I will offer the following:

1. When you post on a public forum, you should not be surprised when others respond, in unexpected ways. There is no rule that says only supportive, "respectful" posts are permitted. In this case, in an attempt to be helpful to the public audience, I am just pointing out to those who don't know better (most of us do) that $15K is no bargain for a late season buffalo hunt in ANY country, and that any prospective buyer should be aware of the reality of booking a buffalo hunt in South Africa where most game farms are on the small side, and almost all are fenced. So if for some reason he is able to justify that price, the hunter should make sure he asks some pointed questions so he knows what he is getting.

2. I have nothing against South Africa or Dennis in particular. It's an excellent destination for a first or second PG hunt, or a bird hunt. Generally speaking, I would not recommend RSA for any DG hunt. There may be the odd exception to that rule.

3. A canned hunt is a hunt where the victim is known before the hunt starts, and his whereabouts are generally known as well. The "hunt" then becomes a stroll (or worse, a ride on a bakkie) to the area where the known victim normally waters/grazes/seeks shade. The victim has been bred for this moment. This is not a hunt, it's an assassination. That's what I am warning people against. If that is not the true in this particular case, then Dennis is free to refute it. There is no rule against defending your posts.

4. A Kudu hunt on a fenced property can be sporting, while a buffalo hunt on the same property can be canned.
- Kudu can jump fences, buffalo cannot
- Kudu can hide in plain sight, buffalo cannot
- There are probably more shootable Kudu bulls on a given property than buffalo bulls, making the hunt more interesting, as you never know what Kudu you will encounter.

5. If I had a specific hunt to sell, I would not need to "hijack" another post, I am quite able to make my own posts. My comments about Zim are quite generic, as any reader can discern. I have no particular allegiance to Zim. In fact, I am South African myself.

6. And I repeat, without apology, anyone who pays $15K for a buffalo bull cancellation hunt, this late in the season, even if it includes airport transfers, could have bought the same or better buffalo hunt for half the money, or a double buff hunt for the same money, in an unfenced concession, where one sees the tracks of wild lions, bumps into elephant, and neither the PH nor the hunter has any idea what particular buffalo, if any, Lady Luck will offer.

quote:

. A canned hunt is a hunt where the victim is known before the hunt starts, and his whereabouts are generally known as well. The "hunt" then becomes a stroll (or worse, a ride on a bakkie) to the area where the known victim normally waters/grazes/seeks shade. The victim has been bred for this moment. This is not a hunt, it's an assassination. That's what I am warning people against.

Russ, if this is your idea of a canned hunt I am sorry to say that you are missing the point. If I identify a big bushbuck by means of a trailcam or any other means and know that the behaviour of a bushbuck is teretorial, chances are good that I will get him there again. If I take a client to the spot and he takes the animal, you recon it is canned. BS.

Because I know the comming and going of a specisfic leopard, it does deffinately not make it a canned hunt if I do take that animal. I would rather say that I have done my homework and that I know the species to what the victim belongs. There is just too much water to run into the sea from seeing a spesific leopard to having the skin in the salt to call it a canned leopard. I would think that you should know this.

Touche my friend.

I still say if you know where a specific animal hangs out, and you bring a client to that spot to shoot it, that's not a hunt. The word hunt implies a "quest" for something whose whereabouts are not known. If you know what animal you are going to shoot before you get on the plane, and where (within a few hundred yards) you are going to find it, it's a shoot not a hunt.

Now I will say that there are shades of gray. The leopard and bushbuck examples are closer to the "hunt" end of the spectrum than a buffalo, because these animals are very elusive, more so than a Kudu as cited in my example. But I wouldn't personally book a hunt for a bushbuck or leopard that has been photographed in his territory. That takes part of the "hunt" out of the equation, and tips the odds too heavily in favor of the hunter.

Trophy hunting has become a business, it's no longer a purely sporting endeavor. Therein lies the problem.

Hey, this is MY definition of canned. If you don't like it, you are free to define the rules any way you like. Given that you appear to be a South African selling fenced hunts, what is YOUR definition of canned?