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Originally posted by Bald Guy:
I talked to Gracy Travel this morning and was told that they are trying to avoid all EU countris because of the growing problems with firearms.

Thanks again.

Cliff

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
BG,

We took our rifles right to the hotel with us where they locked them up until we left when we were in Paris.

Mark

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I reckon they're on the right track. The EU has recently passed a resolution not to carry ANY ammunition. TAP enforced it immadiately but have since changed the policy again and now say they will carry ammo (haven't changed their website though) but my guess is it's only a matter of time before other airlines pick it up.

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Originally posted by ochayethenoo:

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I reckon they're on the right track. The EU has recently passed a resolution not to carry ANY ammunition. (This is an EU requlation, not an airline one) TAP enforced it immadiately but have since changed the policy again and now say they will carry ammo (haven't changed their website though) but my guess is it's only a matter of time before other airlines pick it up.

Hey Shakari, your post makes it sound like us lot in the EU cannot travel anywhere with ammo. !! Not correct. Hundreds or even thousands of folk from the EU fly to and from Africa, within the EU and also to and from the States - all with ammo. (following current airline regulations).

Not sure why you are so certain they will enforce this restriction again - all the hunting organisations in the EU will kick up a fuss (again) and get it stopped like last time.

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by ochayethenoo:

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I reckon they're on the right track. The EU has recently passed a resolution not to carry ANY ammunition. (This is an EU requlation, not an airline one) TAP enforced it immadiately but have since changed the policy again and now say they will carry ammo (haven't changed their website though) but my guess is it's only a matter of time before other airlines pick it up.

Hey Shakari, your post makes it sound like us lot in the EU cannot travel anywhere with ammo. !! Not correct. Hundreds or even thousands of folk from the EU fly to and from Africa, within the EU and also to and from the States - all with ammo. (following current airline regulations).

Not sure why you are so certain they will enforce this restriction again - all the hunting organisations in the EU will kick up a fuss (again) and get it stopped like last time.

I'm an ex pat Brit living in SA but you might like to read my post again mate......

The EU have RECENTLY passed a NEW regulation that says commercial airlines may not carry ammunition. That was picked up by TAP (Portugese airline) who stopped carrying ammo for a short period and then started again because of the complaints...... It's only a matter of time before the sheeple who work for the other EU airlines start to enforce the rule.

I will say there seems to be a degree of confusion about the actual wording/intentof the new requirement but that has yet to be cleared up.

Regarding the Netherlands transit permit. It now requires a letter of invitation from the outfitter. As the entire EU has had an arms embargo to Zim for many years as soon as someone produces a letter of invitation from a Zim outfitter, the firearms won't be allowed to travel.

Sure, some might think they can produce a hooky letter of invitation to come from elsewhere in Africa......... but then of course, they run the risk of facing illegal arms smuggling charges (not a good thing in this post 9/11 society) if they're caught out. If they're American, they could probably also face further prosecution when they finally get home.

As I said, it's probably a good idea to avoid flying through Europe with firearms at least for now.

Incidentally, that new requirement has been in place for some months now and I haven't heard a squeak out of the Euro hunters yet........ if they do change the situation then I see no reason why hunters would have a problem but at the moment, the requirement is in place and no-one has tried to change it.

Therefore and at the risk of repeating myself, I'd suggest caution for now at least.

I'm also not aware of the EU sheeple ever managing to have changed a single EU diktat so far.... I could be wrong though and would be interested to hear of any?

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Originally posted by Wink:
The intellectuals in Brussels are trying to screw up sporting arms transport by having a "common" policy. You can bet they aren't going to adopt France's policy up until now. I suspect we are going to suffer from it. Anybody ever flown through Switzerland with rifles?

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Cliff,

I always use Shawn and recommend my clients do the same. Let her do your arrangements, take her advise and you'll be happy.

Mark

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Category V (Hunting Firearms):
i.e.:
- shotguns (single shot) such as12-, 16- and 20-gauge;
- centerfire hunting rifles (provided they are not included in categories I or IV);
- weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels more than 48 cm (19 in.) in length or which are more than 80 cm (31-1/2in.) in overall length - provided they are not designed to fire ammunition used in firearms of categories I and IV;
- the ammunition thereof.

YOU ARE NOT A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF FRANCE AND YOU WISH TO IMPORT DURING YOUR VISIT HUNTING ARTICLES FALLING UNDER CATEGORY V

You are allowed to bring into the country two weapons on a temporary basis as well as 100 cartridges for each weapon. No Import Permit is required but the imported firearms and ammunition must be declared orally with Customs at the port of entry.