upcoming trip will require travel thru RSA. applied for and received thru 1 of the services my rifle permit for 2 guns. i have now had a mechanical issue with 1 of those guns and will leave it at home. will arrive with the other. do i need to alert the authorities prior to my arrival that i am only bringing 1 gun as opposed to 2?? obviously i will only have ammo for the 1 as well.

Absolutely! Never leave any room for confusion when dealing with African officials. Contact the service today.

Mark

what Mark said. And I'll add one more. Get to the customs folks and have another 4457 drawn up. Is it an absolute requirement? Nope. However, it will alleviate any questions from the SAPS folks, as well as our customs folks when you return. And, that's a good thing.

I now carry a seprate 4457 for each of my guns, and another with my camera equip on it.

I also have one for my Scopes, Rangefinder, and Binoculars and anything else with a Serial #.

This happened to a my traveling partner with one of his rifles before the trip. The groups started opening up alot and shifting impact. He didnt have enough time to change the paperwork or 4457 forms so he just brought it along and it sat in camp. He wanted to avoid any questions about 1 rifle with 2 on permit.

Greg

What if my 4457 lists a firearm that I do not have with me? My 4457 lists 2 rifles, bit Iam only bringing one to SA. I have only provided info for the one rifle that Iam bringing for the SA inport permit.

Bwana 1;

My US Customs Form 4457 lists several rifles and scopes, and I normally travel with only 1 or 2 of them. I have never had a problem at all (in 10 safaris). That being said, I use a service to obtain my SAPS permit, when traveling through RSA, and always have the rifles listed on the SAPS permit.

I don't think there will be a problem with the 4457, but I suggest you have the rifles that are listed on your SAPS permit with you at all times.

Best regards, D. Nelson

Bwana1,
it should not be a proble. "Should" being the opporitive word. If, by chance, you get a brain dead customs offical on this side upon your return, or a SAPS offcier over there who doesn't understand how we do things, it could be a problem. I don't like if's and but's, if it were me i'd get another 4457 with just the rifle you're taking. Yer mileage may vary.

I have a number of 4457's and every one of them (like D. Nelson) lists multiple firearms (rifles, shotguns,) plus scopes, cameras, etc. etc. As long as you have the right 4457 listing the gun that you have with you, you're alright. You don't need to have a separate 4457 for each firearm. The 4457 is to prove ownership and that the firearm, or item taken abroad, is yours.

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I have a number of 4457's and every one of them (like D. Nelson) lists multiple firearms (rifles, shotguns,) plus scopes, cameras, etc. etc. As long as you have the right 4457 listing the gun that you have with you, you're alright. You don't need to have a separate 4457 for each firearm. The 4457 is to prove ownership and that the firearm, or item taken abroad, is yours.

yup exactly right. i must have 6 or 8 forms with multiple things on them. i just bring them along everywhere. actually its kinda funny go thru the customs lines. the agents look at the whole bunch and just wave me through

double check your 4457's twice befre you leave the customs office I did not do thatand had to drive all the way backto tulsa to get another one with the right info on it. Customs guya a human they make mistukes to