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I want to take some "Ballistol" metal and wood gun oil over for the PHs but not sure if it is legal to carry 500mls of it. I does have a flammable liquid symbol on the metal bottle. | ||
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If the bottle has a flammable liquid symbol it is probably prohibited in either carry on or checked luggage. You should check your specific airlines baggage policy. Most of the airlines I've flown prohibit flammble liquids such as you describe. | |||
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Consider Prolix. It's an excellent barrel cleaner and rust preventative, is not flamable or hazzardous and can even be sent through the mail. The potential problem I see is that the uninformed who handle your baggage may not know it's not hazzardous material and probably won't take the time to find out. | |||
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oz, I was just wondering along the same lines - Can you buy Hoppes in Harare? Many Thanks HBH | |||
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Ive always taken a small bottle of stock oil, metal oil and solvent but am often asked by PH's for stock oil. BALISTOL does it all, including use on leather. | |||
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Ballistol and Prolix are both good products. I would take some of each. The 16 oz [473ml] can of non aerosol Ballistol does say it is combustible in one place at the bottom of the lable. I would just put a peice of tape over it with your name on it. When I carried my cleaning stuff over I had my solvents all in Nalgene bottles in my checked bag, no problems. I also always have a small container, [under 2oz] of BreakFree, and Ballsitol, and Prolix in the plastic baggie with my shampoo etc. Never had a problem. Most liquor, perfume and shaving lotion is as flammable as gunsolvents. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Try Froglube for the metal. Use it on my duty guns and tried it on a double the other day. It's biodegradeable, not flammable, no ammonia smell...kinda minty smelling. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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oz you can get the stuff (Ballistol) in RSA i buy it in 5 and 10 liter cans and i can let you have some in Moz if needed let me know where you needed it and i am sure we can make a plan. cheers | |||
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Before you start breaking the rules and doing things like taping over hazard ratings etc, you might like to consider that by doing so, you're not only laying yourself open to very serious prosecution but also possibly endangering the aircraft and everyone aboard it. Those ratings are there for a bloody good reason and it isn't just to make your life awkward. As Freischuetz says, similar products are available in Africa so why not buy it here? - Even if it's not available in the immediate area you need it, you can go online and have the nearest shop or stockist (surface) courier it to where you want it. Or putting it another way, why risk serious prosecution or possibly much worse just to do someone a favour? If you're not sure of it's hazard rating and/or if it's allowed to travel or not, check the rating by looking at the bottle or contacting the manufacturer or importer and then contact a dangerous goods advisor in the airline and ask them if you're allowed to take it or not. | |||
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You can purchase "Ballistol" here. The Kaiser's medecine is the best and only thing I use as a rust preventative and a stock wipe. There is always a soaked rag in a container in my gun-box.  | |||
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 They don't call it hazardous material because it is not. You would be violating both the US gov't's CFR 49 and the IATA hazardous materials regulations. They are not written to pass the time. Don't do anything foolish. You would not put ammo in your carry on. I would recommend that you refrain from doing the same with a flammable liquid. | |||
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Jaglav is right. It's the flammable liquid symbol which will make baggage checkers or customs confiscate. They don't have flammable signs on Chanel No. 5 (even if it is IS flammable!). I was carrying a small tube of grease and because it had the flammable sign on it, it was confiscated . I was annoyed, but in reality it was the manufacturers who were being rather silly and over cautious by putting the sign on the tiny tube. COUNTRYSPORTS. Established 1984. Web sites: www.countrysports.co.uk & www.fishinginuk.co.uk SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, POLAND, SOUTH AFRICA | |||
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Mate, it's not the manufacturers that classify it. As far as air transport and safety of carriage are concerned, all materials are classified by the UN who classify it by set criteria such as burn rates etc. As another example, in radioactive materials they specify a maximum limit for each package and the Air Navigation Order, (Carriage of Dangerous Goods) Act stipulates those same maximums and also where and how each package can be stowed etc. If you search on a product hard enough, you'll find the UN classification for it...... Although I have to say I have no bloody idea why the UN got stuck with the job in the first place.  | |||
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No flammable liquids are allowed in any baggage - either checked or carry-on - on any commercial passenger aircraft. Also, no aerosol cans are allowed in baggage, unless the product is used on your body, such as deodorant, perfume, hairspray, etc, and these in limited quantities only. In other words, no spray paint, starch (flammable), petroleum products such as oil, etc. are allowed in baggage. TSA will see them on the x-ray and break into your luggage and confiscate them. | |||
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And if you do take Aersols on board as above "unless the product is used on your body, such as deodorant, perfume, hairspray," make sure it is not a brand new can and you have used some beforehand so it has some space to expand. . | |||
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Simply, hazardous materials are just that. If either or both the International Air Transport Association and the Code of Federal Regulations list a substance in their documentation as hazardous, for whatever reason, it is. I have flown thousands of tons of hazmat. I have flown dynamite. This is prohibited on commercial carriers, but we were on a military contract and exempt. I have flown rocket motors. Organic peroxides. All kinds of stuff that goes either on cargo aircraft only or on government contract aircraft. Do not put anything flammable in your luggage. You could conceivably cause a fire. A fire aboard an aircraft is often fatal to everyone aboard. You can also get fined, although for small amounts of stuff, you'll probably just have it confiscated. This is no joke. This is serious. Peoples' lives depend on your not carrying hazmat in your luggage. I can't put it simpler than that. | |||
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Well said, that man! Mind you, bugger your luck having to fly with that sort of shit onboard! | |||
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I couldn't agree with Steve more on this subject. "It will probably be alright" is not good enough. If its not legal don't do it. Why screw up a great trip by getting at the very least hassled over something like gun oil. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Yeah, we picked up 22,000 pounds of dynamite at Ilopango AFB in El Salvador during the war. They were blasting a new parking area and ordered too much. You may assume we avoided any thunderstorms widely on the return leg. Of course, had it detonated, we never would have known it. There's that.  | |||
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Fred, I'll say one thing you my friend...... you've certainly had a helluva interesting life! More generally, I think it's vitally important to remember that by trying to pull 'dodgies' with regard to restricted items such as gun oil, black powder, black powder substitutes etc, not only are we risking our own freedoms and indeed wealth and also endangering the aircraft and everyone aboard it. Plus of course, anyone on the ground it might fall on....... and there's also the issue that if someone is caught, then we'll almost certainly see it become harder for hunters to transport even the simplest of hunting equipment, let alone rifles and ammo. | |||
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I've flown also with explosives and elec dets on military aircraft but their are rules you stick to before doing it. With commercial IATA know what they are doing so stick to the rules. We don;t need heat on hunters travelling. . | |||
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On my trip to Cameroun in March, TSA authorities removed a small bottle of Hoppes and a small can of Rem Oil (aerosol). Left a pamphet to the affect that they considered it a HazMat. Never had a problem traveling with the same stuff on previous trips...go figure. | |||
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I'll bet some serious money you can't get Ballistol to burn without spreading it on a fire or heating it up well over normal temps or possibly vaporizing it over a flame a la many of the spray deodorants. Just for kicks and giggles, to test the "flammable theory" I just poured a tablespoon out in a dish, let it spread out and STIRRED it with a lit match. WOULD NOT BURN except for the amount that got on the match stick and was thin enough and exposed to the flame. Even then I could still hold the match, it wasn't some junior conflagration. All that is consistent with the label saying it contains mineral oil. According to OSHA and the National Fire Protection Association, mineral oil has the same flammability rating of vegetable oil, 1 (slight fire hazard), the lowest, and some vegetable oils actually have a flash point lower than mineral oils. You can burn it, but not easily. Nyquil would burn much easier. None of that means it isn't illegal to carry it, but a real hazard, give me a break. If Ballistol burns, the plane is already on fire. I hope none of you Nervous Nellies have any vegetable oil in your house, you may go up in flames any second...... xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Mate, just setting the legalities aside for a moment, most accidents, esp most air accidents are caused by a sequence of things happening that then combine to cause the crash, rather than just a single incident and a good example of that is the Value Jet crash It could for example be that this oil doesn't burn well at ordinary temperature and/or at ground level but becomes highly flammable at higher temperatures and/or higher altitudes (in this case, altitude is unlikely to be a factor) ...... indeed jet fuel itself doesn't burn particularly easily at lower temperatures but burns like billy oh when it's temperature rises. Which is part of the reason the UN classifications people are so cautious with their classifications. | |||
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Well said. | |||
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Be sure to keep that vegetable oil in a shed well away from your house. Geesh. That Valujet crash is a stupid example of what we are discussing, since what was initially burning is not normally considered flammable (airplane tire) and any normal substance including luggage would have done the same with the oxygen and heat added. Almost anything can burn given the right conditions and that certainly includes all those flammable clothes people carry on airplanes. Not to mention all those thousands of pounds of jet fuel. I'm surprised they let them off the ground with all that flammable material on board. Give me a frigging break. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Actually, the Value Jet crash is the perfect example of what we're talking about because it shows how a bad mix of dangerous goods can combine to cause a catastrophic crash. - In this case, the oil on it's own isn't (by your own admission) particularly dangerous but when combined with other materials and/or incidents can become considerably more hazardous...... and the UN classification people quite rightly recognise that. Now, bringing the legalities (that we set aside earlier) back into the debate, by trying to check in such forbidden materials, the passenger could easily be laying himself open to both large fines and even possible imprisonment. As Fred said: "Peoples lives depend on your not carrying hazmat in your luggage" Then consider that in this case, there's absolutely no real need to do it anyway. The act is really only done to accommodate someone and the penalty could be a fine and/or imprisonment at best and an aircraft crash at worst. Ask yourself if it's really worth the risks. | |||
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Again, horse manure, if Ballistol is burning, the plane is already on fire. No one is saying to carry it, what I'm saying is that carrying it isn't dangerous. Would you be nervous with a 10 liter container of vegetable oil in your luggage? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Firstly, it could easily be the Ballistol that started the fire or raised it to a higher temperature than could be contained by the hold and an example of how that and how a sequence of events can combine to cause a problem might be something like the loadmaster erroneously loading a frozen package close to a material that is rated as flammable when wet and then loading the bag with Ballistol close by. The frozen package starts to thaw in flight, wets the other package which then ignites, the fire warms the Ballistol (or whatever) which then burns, a larger/hotter and accelerating fire is created, burns through the fuselage and down she comes........ it really can be that simple. If it wasn't dangerous to carry on an aircraft, it wouldn't be rated as it is and it wouldn't be banned from travel....... and again, it really is that simple. | |||
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Oh give me a frigging break. You can lead a goat to water, but you can't make him think. I'm sure you'll have the same sheep-like attitude when they ban carrying live ammo because it MIGHT go off if it got hot enough. Almost any whisky or whiskey is more flammable than Ballistol. Surely you have never endangered all the lives of your fellow passengers by putting a liter of it in your luggage? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I just tried to get some Ballistol to burn and I held a propane lighter to it for 3 minutes and could not get it to burn. Just take him some Prolix, it will not burn. You can print off its specs, it is offically labeled non flammable DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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If you think things like that don't happen, you're very mistaken. You'll find that a large percentage of aircraft crashes are caused by similar sequences of events coming together to cause serious incidents and sometimes bringing aircraft down. - If you don't believe me, try doing a Google on terms such as 'causes of air incidents & crashes' or indeed reading individual airline's or Govt aviation bodies air accident/incident reports. As for possible bans on transport of live ammo, is now a good time to point out that the EUSSR banned all live ammo on commercial aircraft coming into or out of the EU about a year ago? They subsequently issued a waiver for sporting and target ammo but so far, haven't withdrawn the actual ban and as sporting and target ammo is the only ammo that can be carried elsewhere in the world on commercial passenger aircraft, it don't take much working out who the ban was originally intended for and nor does it leave much doubt who it will be directed at, at some time in the future. | |||
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Show me one crash caused by carrying a substance with a level one flammability rating. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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There's the Value Jet one for a start. It was the high temperature of the burning tyres that caused the fire to be hot enough to burn through the fuselage and destroy the integrity of the aircraft and lose it's ability to fly. If the tyres hadn't been there, the fire would probably have been restricted to the hold for long enough to allow the aircraft to turn back and land. (I'm going from memory but am fairly sure that was established during the inquiry) It was a typical example of a sequence of events combining to cause an accident..... which is why I used it as an example in the first place. | |||
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Give me a frigging break, keep drinking. Do you realize that what you're saying is that you can't carry any objects that MIGHT burn on an aircraft IN CASE SOMEONE LOADS SOME FIREBOMBS on that aircraft? Geesh. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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No mate. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it's bloody stupid to try to take items that are not permitted on aircraft and that they're not permitted for very good reasons...... and I've given several examples of why such items are forbidden. | |||
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Don't waste anymore time on this guy, Steve. He's an idiot, arrogant and has no respect for anyone including himself. He's always right. He is a total waste of time. Reasonable people get the point. Fools never do. | |||
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Gatogordo Another example. Mercury isn't flammable or really dangerous but they don't like it on planes for very good reasons. So just because it's banned but in your view not dangerous, would you still take it ? We don't need Hunters and Shooters getting a bad name for flouting rules. Even though IATA sets them, it is just the stroke of a pen that would stop an airline from carrying firearms and ammo et al. . | |||
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Was the Value Jet crash the one where some improperly packaged large commercial batteries actually started the fire??? Or was that another incident? DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I don't think he's a fool at all (in fact, I'd bet he's a good 'ol boy in real life) but this debate is a good example of how often people might do/think the wrong thing without beginning to consider the consequences. Such acts are however foolish. As I've been giving examples here, I'll give another one. A couple of guys have said they couldn't set light to Ballistol in a teaspoon and I wouldn't dispute that but what I wonder might happen if it were heated to close to boiling point first and then exposed to a very hot flame and/or placed in one of those hand pump sprays and then blown over a very hot flame in (small) globular form? Both scenarios are much more lifelike with regard to an air incident and I suspect, the UN classification people have conducted such tests and that is probably the reason it got the rating it did. | |||
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