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You just step off you charter plane in camp. Hypothetically you just flew from Harare to Dande.. The pilot unloads you, shakes your hand clearing his throat standing around waiting for a tip.. What sort of tip do you do on a charter?? MopaneMike | ||
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I would have but was told not to and didn't. Tipped everyone else. The PH told me not to tip the pilot. I figured he got paid enough was the reason. And he didn't act as if he was supposed to receive one, either. Dutch | |||
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At charter prices, it should never be necessary. Besides, what would you be tipping him for; getting up and down without killing himself? BTW, I've had charter pilots in Africa fail to get us up and over run the endline; fortunately no damage or injuries but lots of excitement. I was riding in the right seat and called him to shut it down as I realized it wasn't gonna lift off before he realized it. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Wow! About 100 bucks worth of air time and fuel, charged at 10 times that amount and he wants a tip. Did I say Wow! Will J. Parks, III | |||
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same thing different place happened to me. I shook his hand and said thank you. It gets kind of old getting hit up at every turn in Africa. PH yes, camp staff yes, game scout maybe if he is helpful. NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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Actually, this is serious. They (Africans) believe we (Americans) are all rich, which of course we are not. Therefore if one American tips the pilot then they begin to expect ALL Americans to tip their pilots. Don't do it!!! Same thing happened with the hookers in 'Nam. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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why do we tip taxi drivers if not charter pilots? Charter pilots in Africa are hardly well paid by anyones standards and they generally do a very good job in less than ideal circumstances. Imagine the flack you would get for not tipping a taxi driver in the US! Charter pilots are just more skilled drivers with a whole lot more training and risk involved | |||
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I know several charter companies and quite a few of the pilots who work for them - rest assured their salaries are not the same nor anywhere remotely near as those of the Captain of a commercial airline. Not saying you should tip him but if he's given you a comfortable ride, done a low pass over your hunting zone prior to landing, pointed out some interesting features etc. - I don't see any harm in expressing one's gratitude. And yes, most african charter companies charge exorbitant rates - but that would be the owner of the company, not the pilot. Besides, most of you will tip the doorman at the hotel, the maitre'd and the waiter/waitress who serves you for something you going to be paying for anyway. Can't comment about the tarts in 'Nam but if they'd done you a service I guess they should have been 'looked after'  | |||
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I would tip a hooker if I could find one that charged by the minute. Charter pilots are screwing us, so maybe they should be tipping us. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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I don't use charters if I can afford it. I like to see the country. If a charter pilot is taking you from pont A TO B and really does nothing special I don't see any need to tip the guy. In some circunstances though the pilot will be the one doing the meet/greet at the airport and just generally makes your whole arrival expereince a little nicer. he may als otake some special care of you luggage and be a wealth od knowledge about the area. That pilot might be a canidate for a tip. I agree that Africa charter pilots are not paid exorbitant salaries but I also agree that a lot of Africans think American clients are generally rich. I don't like it when this attitude becomes apparent. We work for our money and unlike the Africans we mostly do not have a whole lot of domestic help which seems to be the norm wherever I've been in Africa. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Bless you, Mark.  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I tiped my pilot on a flight from Harari to Bill Bedfords Murara camp in the south Dande, but this guy met me at the gate in Harari , made sure all my papers were in order and eased me through customs, got me through the police check station wiht my bow and gun without it costing me a dime in bribes. Above and beyond a pilots duty and that is what tipping someone is about. Max  | |||
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As someone who has flown charters, I can tell you that ANY tips received from Clients were always gratefully received BUT never expected. I beleive that if a pilot has gone above and beyond the normal bog standard start taxi fly land..bye.....then its is still up to the client as to whether he feels a tip is deserved. I also tend to agree that there are way too many people who feel that a tip is their right rather than just being a tip. How often do you suddenly see a whole group of hangers on appear when it is time to leave(especially when you havent seen hide nor hair of them during your while trip) As someone who has been both on the giving and receiving end of tips, I feel strongly that if you feel forced into giving a tip, then it probably isnt deserved. | |||
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zimFrosty: Assuming this statement refers to the client's departure from a hunting camp: "How often do you suddenly see a whole group of hangers on appear when it is time to leave(especially when you havent seen hide nor hair of them during your while trip)" There are normally anywhere between 12-15 "hangers-on" whose chores are few and far between - some of these chappies are hardly ever seen because the client is not usually in camp during the daylight hours when these guys are working. The client normally gets acquainted with the Steward, Cook and Skinner - hardly ever sees the rest except for when its "sayonara time". Having said this, tipping is not mandatory as one may be led to believe - it is known as a gesture of appreciation for services rendered, in Africa and anywhere else in the world. Another point to remember, in most cases these people do not have a full time employment; hunting is seasonal and anything extra they can get will help towards leaner times. My 2 shillings worth. | |||
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Had four additional baggage handlers pop out of the woodwork at the charter office in Dar. The corporal, Barney Fife, was still counting my ammo and expecting his reward when the hangers on blocked my exit out of his office. I gave the guide $10 and asked him to go get change so I could slip out to the plane as it was ready to take off. Had my one baggage handler carry extra bags out to the plane while the others were trying to divide $10 amongst the five of them. Interestingly enough, the sergeant (military or police...not sure)was present and the only one that didn't stick his hand out. I took him over to the concession stand, as he spoke great English, and we swapped cop stories over Cokes. Dutch | |||
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And a valid 2 shillings worth. However, having run many camps , I do know that a clients departure time is a favourite time for all sorts of camp workers to"make themselves known." It is the clients perogative to give a tip when and if they think it is necessary.The simple point I am making is they do not need to feel pressured into giving tips by a whole herd of people waiting expectantly. In most camps, the operator will try to pool tips wherever possible and divide them up amongst all concerned taking into account who did what and when etc. Tips certainly play a huge part in the lives of Safari camp staff and sometimes may even exceed their salaries. However the most important fact must always be that the client must not feel that he has to give a tip. He should rather feel that he is voluntarily giving the tip as a reward for good service . Hope my two "cents' is worthwhile. | |||
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That was my experience, too. Plus my pilot was one of the people that had his farm taken and gave myself and my wife a personal history of his life in Zimbabwe which was well worth hearing. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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To paraphrase Mr. Pink: Pilots ain't lucky enough to have a job that society deems tipworthy. They don't make enough money, they can quit. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Wow.. Surprised at the wide range of responses.. Ok... Lets say the chap does a great meet & greet, gets you through customs and just plain makes your trip more enjoyable and hassle free.. What would be a ballpark estimate of tip and how do you come around to that figure. Example, the given typical for good P/H seems to be accepted at roughly 10% daily rate.. If I paid $2500 for charter, I don't think I'd be tipping $250 Thoughts?? MopaneMike | |||
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He worked a Reservoir Dogs reference into an AR thread? MR, I do like your style!  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Yeah, that sounds about right. I used to fly tourists in the Keys, Bahamas and the Caribbean in light aircraft. The only time I ever expected a tip, (and got a nice one) was from a casino owenr back in the 60's who built the first casino in St. Maarten, and that was only because I flew him down on my one day off, and he knew it. BTW, I didn't tell him. The boss did. IMHO, extraordinary service qualifies a pilot for a tip, and I picked up a few over the years, but flying is a profession and most professionals don't receive tips. I used to fly some pretty heavy hitters to the Bahamas and they never offered and I did not expect it. | |||
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