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Bolt Action 30 Carbine for Training My Grandkids
24 March 2010, 20:23
Bob NisbetBolt Action 30 Carbine for Training My Grandkids
I know the 30 carbine is an awful cartridge by somne people's standards. That considers accuracy and knockdown standpoint, and that it's main rifle is the U.S. Military carbine.
I have one of the military carbine rifles and a bunch of ammo. Its fun to plink with, inexpensive to shoot, not hard to reload, and has enough kick to get the respect of a young shooter.
I believe that a nice bolt action in 30 carbine would be unique and a great cartridge for training a yound shooter.
I have 6 grand-daughters and after they learn proper shooting with a 22 rimfire, I think the 30 carbine would be a fun caliber for them to learn some competition skills.
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24 March 2010, 20:27
jimatcatcheaper to find something in 7.62x39 ... i imagine the recoil would be about the same...
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24 March 2010, 20:43
JIm YackleyHi, for less than $20 you have the gas piston deactivated and have a straight pull rifle. Return to semi is no problem. The procedure is outlined in Carbine Handbook by Paul Wahl. Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the article.
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24 March 2010, 23:06
jeffeossoit can be done, but it will lead to a level of frustration .. if you reload, just go ahead with a 308 based gun and a remington model 7 youth ... 243, 260, 708, 308 .. the 308 will give you the ability to load some wickedly accurate loads for them .. and trailboss powder will let you load em slow!
26 March 2010, 07:42
RyanBI would get a .223.
27 March 2010, 00:57
KabluewyAs jim said the 7.62x39 is a lot of fun, and the CZ 527 is a small rifle. Trail boss or SR 4759 makes nice reduced loads for this one. Here's your rifle:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=162403428Also, I like Jeff's suggestion re the 308, which makes nice reduced loads with several powders, including 4198, 4895, Trail Boss, and SR 4759. Plus this cartridge has a multitude of other uses, and I think managed recoil factory ammo is avaliable. There are youth rifles available in the 308, ready made with the shorter stock. This choice is almost a no-brainer, it's so obviously good.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=162413828http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=161404145KB
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27 March 2010, 05:37
SnellstromWhat I've been doing for my 7 year old is I cut down a 6.5x55 Swede stock and have him shoot reduced loads in it, he is excited cuz he is shooting a big gun (he calls it his hog rifle!) and it is easy for him to handle with the reduced powder charge and 100 grain bullets. As he gains size I will boost up the loads to suit him all the while he is getting used to "his" rifle and not switching rifles.
Other methods are great too however this is working for us.
Good luck with your girls!
27 March 2010, 09:39
N E 450 No2The nice thing about the CZ in 7.62x39 is you can load them some low powered learning practice loads, and when they are trained full power loads can be used to deer/hog hunt, and they will be using the same rifle they trained with.
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27 March 2010, 09:42
N E 450 No2Also let me add that I have killed two deer at @80/85 yards with the 7.62x39, and it worked great.
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28 March 2010, 21:41
Jim C. <><A carbine IS a great little center fire to start kids on. Biggest problem in making a bolt rifle to fit it would be feeding. Yackley's suggestion of blocking off the gas piaton and nothing else at this time is the way I would go.
Kids grow too fast for making them anything more complex and expensive. Just use the "bolt actioned" M1 to prepare them for a Rem Md. 7 or a Browning Micro Medallion later, that's something they won't out grow.
29 March 2010, 06:47
404WJJefferyI have seen production 30 carbine bolt actions, Savage I believe.
Here is one in a lever action
here
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19 April 2010, 16:20
palp8rI just picked up one of the Ruger Compact 7.62x39 with a nice piece of wood on it. LIttle more heft to it than the CZ but not objectionable by any means.
Shoots everything I have run into it sub moa and my 110 TSX handloads in lapua brass are running less than 0.5 inch at 100y. No bedding, no tinkering just load and go.
02 May 2010, 20:00
cz75tacAnother alternative since you already have a supply of 30Carbine and the ability to reload them is to look at a Thompson Center Contender or Encore with a 30 Carbine barrel. No issue of converting an existing rifle that may or may not feed properly. You have the safety of a single shot with new shooters and as they get better the plethora of TC barrel choices for the frame.
A cooper M38 in 30 carbine would be a nice way to go. It seems like bolt actions are either sized for rimfire or 308 and bigger. The little cooper is about the only one I've seen that would be the right size for the 30 carbine. Good luck.
03 May 2010, 04:53
butchlambertI think the 7.62x39 is great. I have a 270x39 improved that I built on a mini mauser. It is just accurate and very little recoil. Do not do a muzzle brake on a small rifle. The noise is worse on the kids than the recoil. You need excellent ear protection.
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