Stuart Satterlee Actions?

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15 February 2016, 21:13

McKay

I have a few in the white. I might let go. 416, 404, & a 375. I'm not too sure how to tell if it has an integral bolt or not. They are all double square bridged with no cuts. And I would agree with the others. I would not ever order one again unless it was finished and he had it in stock. The workmanship is incredible but plan on adding 3 years or so to whatever the stated wait time is.

16 February 2016, 04:33

mlfguns

Lindy2 I hope you get well in God's speed.
There is a lot of wisdom and validity in your thoughts.
Purchasing an action already built that suits your needs, trumps all other decisions. Such as the ones offered above. Best of luck to you.

16 February 2016, 06:26

Clan_Colla

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
How old are you?

Smart man

16 February 2016, 06:33

MHC_TX

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
Why not just use a letter of credit with a bank or an escrow agreement?

That could work too. But I think that you need someone who can look the action over and proclaim it as being within specs. I think a mutual acquaintance, or God forbid, a lawyer.

I'm sorry if it has to be that complicated I would look elsewhere. If I was set on a Satterlee action then I would buy it 2nd hand or purchase it C.O.D. Stuart makes a nice action, but there are several other options. Been there done that.

16 February 2016, 08:38

Idaho Sharpshooter

I would order one, if I were under thirty. I would expect a couple false starts, and hope to have the action by time I turned thirty-five...

And, definitely C.O.D.

16 February 2016, 14:42

shootaway

My Martini/Satterlee Lott should be completed in the following months.Once in my hands I will let you know what this action is like compared to all the others I've used including the Vektor Ralf Martini built for me.

16 February 2016, 19:34

McKay

So bottom is 375 then 404 and 416 on top.

Then it should be 416 on the left then 404 and right 375.

This is one of his titanium actions below. You mentioned that you wanted talley cuts. I would have him do something that looks nicer than this. I picked this up second hand but I always thought these dovetails looked goofy. This rifle does not have iron sights so its scope stays on all the time.

16 February 2016, 19:58

McKay

Those white actions look a little messy because I have them coated with rig grease.

17 February 2016, 06:20

Matt in Virginia

Mac,
Enjoyed talking with you until we got cut off. Will look forward to the other pictures by e-mail when you get a chance...

Regards, Matt.

17 February 2016, 06:23

Matt in Virginia

Does ANYTHING compare to a Hartmann & Weiss? How do the Satterlees compare when properly finished? I know Darcy uses those on the larger cartridge Classics. Though I have been tempted to allow them to do the entire rifle... Different cost structure unfortunately.

Regards, Matt.

17 February 2016, 06:37

ColoradoMatt

quote:
Originally posted by Matt in Virginia:
Does ANYTHING compare to a Hartmann & Weiss? How do the Satterlees compare when properly finished? I know Darcy uses those on the larger cartridge Classics. Though I have been tempted to allow them to do the entire rifle... Different cost structure unfortunately.

Regards, Matt.

I'm told F.Z.H. compares favourably to H&W, but they should since they make H&W's actions for them. Roger Green imports them in the U.S. Ralph Martini is your man in Canada.

Matt
FISH!!

Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984:

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."

17 February 2016, 06:51

Matt in Virginia

Matt,
Thank you Sir... Ask and you shall learn.

Regards, Matt.

17 February 2016, 07:12

DuggaBoye

Fanzoi titaniums are Satterlee actions

21 February 2016, 02:59

butchlambert

Mac,
Is that New Guys old rifle?

21 February 2016, 18:36

KimR

Wasn't New Guy's a Ti actioned one,TiN coated like mine?

21 February 2016, 21:20

butchlambert

I thought yours was Ti also. New Guys had the Oeerlikon PVD WCC coating and a syn. stock also. I have handled it and cycled the bolt. It was incredibly smooth.

24 February 2016, 06:40

AlanFaulkner

lindy2:
I agree with the CC option, but check with your CC company first because some of them have a limit of time that you can do a charge back. Not sure if the 3-5 year time frame for one of these actions would qualify.

24 February 2016, 06:56

BaxterB

FZH are really nice actions.

24 February 2016, 20:10

KimR

My bad ,it was WCC.

24 February 2016, 21:24

ColoradoMatt

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
FZH are really nice actions.

We need to support American companies if we want them to support us.

I try to support American Companies when I can. If I had the money to build a full on magnum mauser, I would PERSONALY insist on using an action as close as possible to the specs of pre-war Oberndorf, and build a very close approximation of a pre-war British or German gun. The available american magnums are well made, but do not inspire me one bit. No American maker really comes close, but FZH is not far off.
Phil Shoemaker recently did and article in one of the Wolfe Publishing mags about a Joe Smithson mauser in 9.3x62, based on a Granite Mountain version of a G33/40. I like that, and would pay for that if I had that kind of money. the point is, while American made magnum mauser's are more plentiful than ever, these makers aren't meeting everyone's needs/wants/desires. I agree that we should all buy American when we can, but if you want a rolls royce, you're not going to find it being build in Cincinnati (At least not yet, anyway).

26 February 2016, 07:07

AFreeman

Stuart builds an action damn near worthy of art as its description.
As you've likely read, time to receive has been been the issue.

If you can wait, or better yet if he's changed his delivery time, it's damn near impossible to find something better.

They are wonderful.

26 February 2016, 11:31

Tommyhawk

I ran into a guy at Safari Club that told me he thought Satterlee was dead. Turns out he gave Satterlee a thousand dollars down on an action 6 yrs. ago.
2 yrs. ago he tried to contact him because he hadn't heard anything in so long. Nobody ever answered the phone and nobody from Satterlee's has contacted this man in 6 yrs.!!!
A friend of mine urged him to try and contact him again.
When someone starts talking about we should 'buy American' in conjunction with Satterlee...I want to puke. I wonder how many people he has screwed?

Lindy, I wish you great success with your treatment.
Sincerely,
Tom

26 February 2016, 18:34

lindy2

quote:
A friend of mine urged him to try and contact him again.

What happened when he did?
Was there a written contract?

26 February 2016, 19:33

MHC_TX

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
A friend of mine urged him to try and contact him again.

What happened when he did?
Was there a written contract?

Do I need to hire a lawyer to draw up a contract, just so I can buy a action? I don't get it......guess I'm a little slow.

As Adam posted, Satterlee does create a excellent product, but that alone won't keep a business afloat.

26 February 2016, 21:18

lindy2

quote:
guess I'm a little slow.

B.S. Your a very successful and very well respected person, financially and otherwise, and you didn't get there by being slow. Moreover, you know damn well you don't need to hire a lawyer to form a contract.

I am sure that you have worked under hundreds and hundreds of contracts in your life, whether they were oral or written. Most very successful people actually have worked under contracts (part of what made them successful). Oral contracts are valid. Its just that the person who is doing the complaining is usually the one who forgot what the terms of the contract were.

Who waits 4 years to call about a deal? I know you wouldn't!!! I wouldn't either. As I said before, I have been to Mr. Satterlees's on a few occasions. He is a very nice man. I'd go there again and politely try to figure out what needed to be done next, and if he was too busy to complete my work I'd ask for a refund.

I understand what its like to lose $1000.00. I have had people walk out on me for $13,000, $8,000, a few for $5,000, etc. But I wouldn't try to run them out of business by telling everyone not to do business with them. I just need to be smarter next time and take a credit card! And buyers need to do the same.

K

26 February 2016, 21:58

butchlambert

My Satterlie was shipped as soon as my check cleared. I do know a couple folks that are unhappy and I believe them, maybe I was lucky.

26 February 2016, 22:14

Grenadier

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I have had people walk out on me for $13,000, $8,000, a few for $5,000, etc. But I wouldn't try to run them out of business by telling everyone not to do business with them.

And that's how those sorts of people get away with it and go on to cheat and defraud even more people. Don't believe me? Well we have to look no further than AR to find examples of people being cheated because they didn't know about the bad experiences of others.

Here are a couple:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2100588/m/9151009461

http://forums.accuratereloadin.../9411043/m/723108618

It wouldn't take long to come up with several more.

26 February 2016, 22:46

Grenadier

Lindy -

A person who steals is a thief. A person who lies is liar. A person who misleads is dishonest. A man who takes a deposit for something but never delivers the goods and never returns the deposit is a crook.

The blame for their actions does not rest on you just because you were not successful in avoiding those people.

Further:

If someone only steals sometimes he is still a thief.
If someone only lies sometimes he is still a liar.
If someone only misleads some people, or only misleads people some of the time, he is still dishonest.
And a man who takes a deposit for something but never delivers the goods and never returns the deposit is a crook even if he only does that to some people some of the time.

26 February 2016, 22:57

MHC_TX

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
guess I'm a little slow.

B.S. Your a very successful and very well respected person, financially and otherwise, and you didn't get there by being slow. Moreover, you know damn well you don't need to hire a lawyer to form a contract.

I am sure that you have worked under hundreds and hundreds of contracts in your life, whether they were oral or written. Most very successful people actually have worked under contracts (part of what made them successful). Oral contracts are valid. Its just that the person who is doing the complaining is usually the one who forgot what the terms of the contract were.

Who waits 4 years to call about a deal? I know you wouldn't!!! I wouldn't either. As I said before, I have been to Mr. Satterlees's on a few occasions. He is a very nice man. I'd go there again and politely try to figure out what needed to be done next, and if he was too busy to complete my work I'd ask for a refund.

I understand what its like to lose $1000.00. I have had people walk out on me for $13,000, $8,000, a few for $5,000, etc. But I wouldn't try to run them out of business by telling everyone not to do business with them. I just need to be smarter next time and take a credit card! And buyers need to do the same.

K

lindy2,

I didn't understand "what" your agenda was with your posts on this thread. Then it was pointed out to me that you are really.....22WRF.......now I understand. Your agenda is the same as always......just to stir the pot. I guess the 2 bit lawyer business is a little slow in Minnesota and you have nothing better to do.

I'm calling a spade-a-spade and I'm done with you.

27 February 2016, 00:32

lindy2

MHC

You are entitled to your ad hominem opinion.
Have a nice day.

27 February 2016, 02:40

Jim Kobe

I told you guys before, Don't feed the trolls. This guy is a wannabe of the most serious kind., He has been trolling these sites for years and you just keep encouraging him.

27 February 2016, 10:27

Matt in Virginia

fwiw & imho,
Contracts are all fine and well, however, they are no better than your desire to pay a lawyer, or firm, to enforce that contract. If Stuart has little or nothing to lose he may be hard to nail down... Legally speaking. I've not found contracts to be the iron clad little instruments they are being portrayed as... If you are in the driver's seat in all circumstances outside of the contract, and the other party has significant collateral to lose, it may pay. However, it is only one tool of suggestion for lack of a better term. If they have used a firewall corp to acquire what you are selling there is likely fairly little behind the scenes to be attached. Often they've been through this dance before... In short I would find someone with a history of completing their business dealings with others... Past history is still your best indicators of future performance. Deal with a better class of craftsmen if you can't trust your current choice. One thing I have found is that there is NO shortage of talented rifle smiths, who value their name, and the Germans are evidently still making one hell of a Magnum Mauser...

Regards, Matt.