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No Daly,..This is the real deal, Scale built from scratch; for the .222rem class of cartridge.

You can look down this page for >> detailed photo essay of one in .222remMag. 16,000 Euro

The color case example below is priced at 21,000 Euro.


 
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Wow... a superb little rifle! If I had $35k laying around I would have to, well, go on safari in Cameroon actually!


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Cool rifle! When you state "detailed photo essay" did you mean the collection of pictures, or is there actually a description and photos of the build itself? I didn't see anything more that just the pictures of the completed rifle.

I have often thought it would be very cool to build a nice custom safari style rifle like this in 223 based on the CZ 527. I have never been particulary impressed by the few Daly "mini-mausers" I have seen, but the CZ has a true claw extractor and seems like a better platform for a real custom rifle.

Does anybody know if the CZ could be adapted to a 3 position side swing safety like this, and does anybody make hinged bottom metal to replace the extended magazine?
 
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It's neat but I'm not seeing $35000.00 worth of rifle there. Might be the exchange rate night now. Wink

On the CZ 527, no safety or bottom metal upgrades for them. James Anderson was going to do them at one time. After buying a rifle and taking it apart he said it wasn't feasible.

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Personally, I like Terry's mini better, regardless of what action he started with. His rifle is up there with ANYTHING I've ever seen. Any time I put a stone to an action or a file to a stock, Terry's mini is what I reference.
That's a neat rifle - especially the CC feature, but 35K? I'm sure mfg a recvr from scratch is where the bulk of the $$ is. Like the stuff Fred Wells made - from bar stock.
 
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Originally posted by montea6b:
I have never been particulary impressed by the few Daly "mini-mausers" I have seen, but the CZ has a true claw extractor and seems like a better platform for a real custom rifle.

I take that back, I too drool over Terry's rifle. I just meant that the CRF on the CZ rifle appeals to me more as a true Mauser...
 
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Personally, I like Terry's mini better, regardless of what action he started with. His rifle is up there with ANYTHING I've ever seen. Any time I put a stone to an action or a file to a stock, Terry's mini is what I reference.
That's a neat rifle - especially the CC feature, but 35K? I'm sure mfg a recvr from scratch is where the bulk of the $$ is. Like the stuff Fred Wells made - from bar stock.


Terrys mini is a fantastic example of fine style & top workmanship.
If one is content with something that does not have several of the orig. M98 design features and does not operate like a true M98, then they can save alot of money.

If the metalsmith involved actually had to create an authentic Mini-M98 like the Ritterbusch, id like to know what the rifle would end up costing,if the smith could be bothered and if the prospective client would be willing to pay the price ...likely to find it, " not justifiable or not feasible"

However, there are those mauser purists who value an authentic featured & functioning mini-98,enough to pay Ritterbusch for their unique efforts.

If IRCC, Fred Wells asked about $5k for an new stdM98 receiver, maybe $10K for a very specialised project [about 20yrs ago].
Granite mountain have made a simlar product available for much less, but they dont do the more expensive "one of" specialised receiver manufacturing that Freds shop did.

The cost of the mini-M98 receiver may not be the biggest factor, often inhouse labor costs/premium pricing, drive up the cost of a complete rifle. Just see what H&W,H&H,WR,Purdey- charge for color Case, compared to value priced CC specialist, Doug Turnbull.
WR charge 950 BP, H&W quoted me 1500 Euro!
I dont know if one can purchase the Mini-M98 receiver alone, if so, its likely the rifle could be built by ones prefered smith for much less.

eg; You can purchase an H&W M98 magnum or Hagn action, and have ones top grade rifle built for much less than what H&W or H&H would charge, respectively. Actually, Im surprised H&W release their M98 receivers for sale to private individuals.

A new rather plain H&H bolt rifle will cost about 21,500 BP/US$35k , using an old mauser.
A well featured Westley Richards bolt rifle from about 17,000 BP/US$28k, using an old mauser.
An Echols Classic begins at US$32K using an M70, more if you opt for extras like 1/4 rib,or premium M98 receiver.
An Hartmann & Weiss rifle simliar price.

Premium name/grade shops charge premium prices, nothing new about that.
That mini-M98 is priced accordingly, same as the larger premium M98 rifles from Ritterbusch, all using newly manufactured receivers.
It also has several optional extras[$$$] added in the build process. A less embelished version would show a good difference in price.

A real test of knowing what something costs, is to set up premises/shop and discover whats involved to design,prototype and produce such products,see how many you can sell,... then come back and tell us what you need to charge to cover costs and make a living.

Heres the workshop of exquisite rifle builder, Hartmann Weiss.
 
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It seems with the current CNC technology available that some company could make a plain jane version that was affordable to the general shooting public.



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Chaddicks(sic) had a custom Kurz M98 rifle at the LV show, was about $38k but that included a french fitted case with cover.
 
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Hello Trax,

I can confirm that Ritterbusch is selling his Mini Mauser actions is the white.
On last IWA (2011) his has shown me also a version of the Mini Mauser made out of titanium with integral made scoperings and a hidden detachable magazine under the floorplate.

Robert
 
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My opinion only- The color case hardened one is Butt Ugly! Too much gaudy!
Butch
 
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