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Model 70 classic featherweight SA 7lb possible?
30 July 2010, 15:24
EDMHUNTERModel 70 classic featherweight SA 7lb possible?
With an edge stock and lightweight talley's and a 2.5 x 8 leuopld will you be close to 7lbs?
30 July 2010, 16:10
jeffeossoscoped and stocked? probably not
30 July 2010, 17:35
vapodogI'm not sure what an Edge stock weighs....but if one goes to aluminum bases and rings and a Leupold ultralight compact scope on a M-70 SA he might come close.
BTW....I learned that with M-98 Mausers that the blind magazines reduce weight significantly..... can one do this with an Edge stock? Also some recoil pads are quite heavy. One needs to watch things like this.
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30 July 2010, 20:10
CAS IIThe third rifle from the right went 7lbs 4oz with a Brown Pound'r stock. Given that you will save some weight with the barrel, the scope, the shorter action, and can utilize lighter bottom metal (I used Williams steel), 7lbs is doable.
You will be giving up a few ounces by going with the EDGE over the Pound'r, but it can still be done.
Figure you will save 2 to 3oz on the action, 2 to 3oz on the bottom metal, 1.2oz on the scope. That saves you somewhere around 5.5 to 7.5oz, which is about the difference in a fully finished EDGE vs Pound'r. Add in the lighter barrel, and if you can shave 4oz off, you are right at 7lbs.
30 July 2010, 23:00
SnowwolfeIt will be close. Own a W70 300 WSM with the 2.5x8 sitting in Talley one piece lightweight rings/mounts and in an Edge stock but never weighed it. Pretty sure it is under 7.5 pounds, maybe less. But it kicks the snot out of me as well and is difficult to shoot off the bench.
Best accuracy is when it is on the rest/bags and I hold it down.
But it is a joy to carry.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
31 July 2010, 07:41
Chuck NelsonA long Model 70 action with a factory fwt contour barrel, and Edge Compact, Tally LW's, a Leupold scope, and Aluminum bottom metal will get you there.
The barrel contour will kill you as will the steel bottom metal.
31 July 2010, 08:22
free_minerquote:
Originally posted by EDMHUNTER:
With an edge stock and lightweight talley's and a 2.5 x 8 leuopld will you be close to 7lbs?
yes, easy
here's one in progress. The slabbing and modifications to the recoil lug and tang only took off 1.8 oz, but with an Edge stock and alloy bottom metal (modified pre-64 FW) the bare rifle will go +/- 93 ounces.
01 August 2010, 02:05
J.D.RandellYou're not racing it; you're shooting it! Ounces here and there on the total package can be pared back by forgoing underwear, getting a short haircut, leaving the cigarettes and the Snickers bar in the truck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . I know what you're saying. I'm just saying that there are ounces, and then there are ounces.
Shorten the barrel, have it fluted.
I have a Mod. 70 "Stainless Classic" 30-06, Leupold 3 - 9x 40mm, box stock, 22" bbl. I don't know what it weighs, but I could stand to lose 50 lbs.
01 August 2010, 02:44
cmfic1quote:
Originally posted by J.D.Randell:
I don't know what it weighs, but I could stand to lose 50 lbs.
Ya but its cheaper & easier to lighten up a gun than lose 50lbs
Not near as fun losing weight as it is doin a rifle work-over either
Rod
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"A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong"
Bob Hagel
01 August 2010, 07:08
Mike_Dettorrecheck out lonewolf stocks...he has stocks that are 14 oz as I recall
Mike Never under estimate the internet community to use any opportunity to reply to a post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence problem.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
01 August 2010, 08:04
Rob Scottquote:
Originally posted by EDMHUNTER:
With an edge stock and lightweight talley's and a 2.5 x 8 leuopld will you be close to 7lbs?
I have a FWT 6.5x55 (factory aluminum bottom metal) in an McM Edge with a Leupold UL 3x9X33 in Conetrol bases and low rings; it weighs just 6 pounds 14 ounces. You can get close to seven with the 2.5x8 but I doubt you'll quite make it under 7.
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01 August 2010, 08:30
SnowwolfeTell you what, one day next week I will take mine to the shop where they have a scale and weigh it. It is almost exactly the same rifle you have in mind:
Win 70 with factory barrel and bottom metal in 300 WSM
McMillan Edge stock
Leupold 2.5x8 in Talley one piece lightweight mounts.
Nothing has been removed from the metal in order to lighten it. Maybe 2 ounces or so of acraglass was added to it when I bedded it.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
01 August 2010, 20:04
EDMHUNTERThank you I appreciate the help.
01 August 2010, 21:17
Mike_Dettorre
Here is a 700 SA ADL in 308 I had built. Fluted bbl, lighten bolt and bolt handle with a Leupold 2.5x8.
Gun, scope, sling, and 4 rounds equaled 6 3/4.
Lonewolf I believe can make anyhting in a blind magazine configuration. It will save you several ounces.
Think about the last time you needed to "unload your gun in a hurry". I never have needed to.
Mike Never under estimate the internet community to use any opportunity to reply to a post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence problem. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
01 August 2010, 21:58
cmfic1Mike, that kinda reminds me of my Bansner "Ultimate Sheep hunter". It weighs in @ 6.2 lbs field ready.
What kind of rings do you have on it?
Rod
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"A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong"
Bob Hagel
02 August 2010, 01:17
Mike_DettorreThose are TRS rings and XS rear weaver base with the adjustable ghost ring.
Mike Never under estimate the internet community to use any opportunity to reply to a post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence problem. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
03 August 2010, 00:39
SnowwolfeWin 70 - 300 WSM
Edge stock
Talley one piece bases/rings
Leupold 2.5x8
No sling or rounds in the rifle
Weighs in at 7 pounds 4 ounces.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.